Awoo

joined 5 years ago
[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It's pleasant to see that the Lemmy team saw reason on this. I intentionally used a few names in it for effect and that was a risk to me getting banned but seemed to work out demonstrating that a person can be completely correct and should be listened to despite their tone. Wasn't even really intentional either I was just fucking heated over the way this was being handled. Lemmy does need some on-point trans mods that are willing to argue with the rest of the team internally over poor decision making and do some internal education.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It’s almost like you don’t understand this whole federation thing.

If you defederate from communists it just means that you don't see their posts. Other people do though.

When people defederate others with the goal of political manipulation (as you are implying is a good thing) it means that communists get to refute your comments and you don't see them, but others do.

All you do is take yourselves out of the conversation.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

and the new users are all going to continue calling out and outvoting you and yours.

Uhh, you have -9 and literally nobody has upvoted you.

And why are you obsessed with internet points rather than actual correctness and education?

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

@dessalines@lemmy.ml this is exactly why tone policing is bullshit moderation policy.

Your modteam is allowing this transphobic screed to exist, and has in fact unbanned the user that posted it despite the very very obvious fact that they are a transphobe doing concern-trolling and "just asking questions" style veiled bigotry, while simultaneously banning everyone that has reacted to their behaviour by rightfully calling them the names they deserve to be called.

This policymaking is what results in people in the left calling someone a terf or a fascist getting banned while the fascists and terfs roam free. The site will be taken over by this and the left will slowly be banned and pushed out by it. The fact that the team can't seem to get into their heads that trans people might get a little fucking heated when bigots are allowed to exist and clearly defended by some of the incompetent members the modteam is another part of the problem.

You should get some trans people on your team to keep the rest of the idiots on it making these shit decisions in check. This nerd should absolutely be rebanned and every other person that copped a ban over this shit should be unbanned.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

As someone that mods on multiple 1m+ subreddits, this is not viable across hundreds of subreddits with tens of active mods per subreddit.

And it's not viable with the userbases either, many of them would go full scorched earth rebellion against the site. Reddit is trying to calm things rather than turn it into a massive thing.

If large quantities of users decide to wreck the site with spam posts there is very little that admins can do. Committed users hell bent on trashing reddit can do so in greater numbers than can be responded to. This occurred when /r/FatPeopleHate got banned (a sub that thoroughly deserved it but hey ho) when a lot of the site went into a rebellion against Ellen Pao. They remember this, and do not want to repeat it.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Can you define tankie for me? The definition seems to change every time I talk to someone saying it. Right now all you know about me is that I read Lenin? Is reading Lenin supposed to be a bad thing?

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Disagree. I don't give a shit.

that has done nothing to harm you

Yeah sure thing, except exploit the fuck out of people, enslave everyone, commit mass genocide and destroy the planet. Done absolutely NOTHING to harm me my ass.

Your anger at the middle class is exactly what the super rich want.

The middle class are aspiring bourgeoisie, there's a reason they're officially called the petit-bourgeoisie. This is not a conversation about the middle-class, it is a conversation about middle-income people, which are two entirely different things.

There is zero value in having a conversation with anyone that names themselves chromosome though. The only reason you've started it is to see whether you can get a reaction.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I mean in this git. "Active" is at the entire discretion of the person that made this list and is not quite fully defined.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Only wish we knew what the definition of "active" being used was more clearly.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I see, so it's commenting accounts per hour. Would be interesting to see what the commenting accounts per month is to more accurately compare to this list. Although this list doesn't make it clear whether they are using accounts that have commented or accounts that have simply participated via logging in and voting, I would personally include any voting account as "active".

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

About 300 active users every day

Underselling it? 431 currently logged in at time of this comment and it hits 600 concurrently logged in at peak time basically every day. The statistic this repo uses is also:

**Users ** The number of users that have been active on this instance this month

By that metric I think Hexbear is still the largest lemmy instance. It would be the third on this list if you only count daily concurrent login peak.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Alright I'll bite.

As you move down the wealth ladder you eventually reach a point at which there is a culture change. There are significant differences in the culture of the average middle-income anglo with guilt about their privilege compared to the people who are really, genuinely struggling. Once you cross a certain threshold, I'll call it the poverty threshold for the sake of this reply but it's not really a strict line but more of a broadly intersecting spectrum where there are many people who can blend into both groups, you reach a behavioural change point. This behavioural change, both in speech and in attitudes, is generally driven by those of us below a certain income level genuinely not giving a single fuck about how someone speaks but rather what they are saying.

Take for example my home of Liverpool. If I go down the council flats I'll find myself hundreds of people who will speak in ways that the middle-income liberals of america would find abhorrent. They will cuss you for a minor thing that makes it seem like you just killed their dog. This is normalised culture for them, and among their peers it is perfectly fine behaviour - but to the sheltered middle income person who sees it as an overreaction? It's shocking, and they don't like it.

This trend occurs towards the lower income groups because frankly their is less and less incentive to ruin relationships with people over social policing. Far more is put up with and accepted because everyone's got it rough and nobody's interested in making someone's life harder by getting overly emotional about a few swearsies.

I fit into one of the blending people, seamlessly transitioning between the two and speaking both ways. I grew up in squats, but I also got a very fortunate break that led to me getting an education in what many would regard as the ruling class side of our education system, which is split between schools for the workers vs schools for the bourgeoisie.

Anyway. The point is that the tone policing has the effect of shutting out these people from participation. The reason you don't see the majority of these people in participation online isn't because they don't have access, it's because they've had the experience of getting banned everywhere for not speaking like a cultured middle income liberal, and they've frankly got bigger priorities in their lives than learning how to speak like the people they fucking despise.

It is classism because it explicitly shuts out this class of people from participation. Almost everywhere online the tone policing functions as a tool of class discrimination that bends internet culture towards privileged middle-income groups over the poor. It's not explicitly intended to do this, but it is the outcome of it. Much like for example having a "no hoodies" rule in a shop doesn't function to keep out middle-income people but keeps out the "chavs", if you'll forgive my use of a classist slur for effect.

You wanna get aggressive and go at it? Go ahead. Do it. How something is expressed is not important compared to what is actually being said. The issue with this form of classism is that a section of society goes completely unrepresented online because of it, people whose politics almost always align with my own socialist views once they're well educated in what their interests are.

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