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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I may not agree with which of your icons is on which side but I will defend to the death how accurate this is in general

[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's the symbol on the left meant to be?

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Anarcho-capitalist on the left side

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t know but it’s clearly the opposite of tankie

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It is not the opposite of tankies unless the continuum you're looking at is awful politics.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean, "opposite" implies some kind of continuum that they're both placed on. "Up" is the opposite of "down," it's not up vs. banana.

In this case, I'm comfortable saying that on the "bullshit politics I learned from the internet that sound clever but are in practice an instant disaster to anyone living through them" continuum, tankies and ancaps are like sugar and spice.

Edit: Oh no what have I done... I adjusted the analogy to a gender neutral one

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep.

"Boy" is only the opposite of "girl" if you're working within the framework of gender binary. One could equally argue that "non-binary" is the opposite of both "boy" and "girl."

Similarly, "Right Libertarian/AnCap" and "Tankie" are opposite ways to justify authoritarianism and atrocities (dictatorship of the "market" vs dictatorship of the proletariat). "Anarchist/Left Libertarian" is the opposite of both because both assert that non-consentual hierarchies are normal and excuse the atrocities that come with them while anarchism rejects the validity of non-consentual hierarchy.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

within the framework of gender binary

Oh no... okay that's on me. I adjusted the analogy to one that's independent of gender issues.

But actually, I do agree with your analogy as applied to boy/girl, and the whole rest of what you're saying here. It's more or less what I was saying actually, I think -- tankies and ancaps have quite a lot in common with one another and the answer lies somewhere else entirely.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fixed:

Ancap: *incoherent statement*

Tankie: *heavily cited mix of cherry picked accurate and utterly incoherent statements with a sprinkling of denying atrocities*

Ancap: *nonsensical response indirectly quoting literally Hitler*

Anarchist: *blocks lemmy.world*

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tankies packing a sad because nobody wants to read their walls of text, again.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It seems Lemmy.ml is slowly turning into Hexbear.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Given how few people federate with Hexbear, are you sure about that?

Unless your own little toxic corner of the Internet is what you're after?

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes

They are legitimately very nice actually

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

It sounds like our views are similar, in that case. Personally, I think all the .ml domains should splinter off and do their own thing.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s not my fault if reality is Marxist

Che Guevara

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't live in reality though, do you?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I try not to.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

every time people post how much better they are then the rest of us because they are hyper intelectual and like to read philosphy I think about a sad lonely person that no one wants to have around.

Being "intelectual" is like a religion, if you start braging about it and making it your personality people will just leave. Keep it to yourself or to the people in your "Church' (pro-intelectualism?)

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago

it sounds like you're not only deeply insecure but unwilling to better yourself out of a misguided sense of spite

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks. That is helpful, although it is difficult sometimes not to write in a passive voice.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you believe in your mission, it becomes imperative to form arguments that help people change their minds, rather than long winded opinions that cement yourself as an intellectual while alienating your audience.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I agree. It is a struggle to communicate on social media without seeming aloof. It also doesn’t help that people are generally defensive and combative. How do you engage in meaningful conversations without coming off as condescending? It’s a process with a steep learning curve.

[–] redempt@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

So what we need to do is act like a vtuber rebutting against a Japanese company, since those companies try to sue you for stating correct things but make their company's choices look wrong/bad.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I have to upvote Innuendo Studios.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Capitalists: umm yes see north korea is bad so communism is bad. Communists: umm yes see south korea is bad capitalism is bad. Both true statements but as most things being an extremist is bad and both examples are technically correct. Just find the best combination of both.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

uh huh.... one type leads to mass starvation of their population, the other to... K-Pop?

yeah that's a great argument.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Suicide, homelessness, depression, etc. And the version of capitalism seen in south korea is already a nerfed version. You just need to nerf it more.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Suicide, homelessness, depression

I'd argue NK's issues with housing, suicide and depression are at least as bad if not worse. I guess you could argue that work camps and conscription fix the housing issue if you're kinda sick...

There's no utopia. I'd pick SK over NK any day of the week and twice on sunday lol. Live on the planet that's actually here and you'd feel the same too.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah of course id pick SK also. Tho this comparison isnt totally fatefull because you know NK is a hermit kingdom and SK is one of the most succesfull economies on the world so its not just a comparison between economic systems. I think it does show that no system today is perfect and i dont think any systems gonna be perfect but we should at least try to make it better.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

"What if obscene strawman?? Checkm8 liberals!!!"

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah but human nature so unelected rich people should control everything and slowly enslave me more and more. This is the best possible system because of my vague abstract idea of human nature.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

So accurate

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago

You gotta remember. These tech spaces are packed with communists AND libertarians. A shit ton of tech is constructed by people who are doing everything in their power to become the first king of the world.