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White chuds: gender-neutral pronouns are ruining our beautiful language! It's literally 1984 newspeak! The wokies are trying to bring about the end of Western Civilization!

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

stuff It is commonly believed that early Proto-Indo-European (PIE) had only two noun classes, animate and inanimate. PIE used demonstrative pronouns as third-person pronouns, which in practice means that early PIE did not distinguish between an equivalent to "he" or "she", but rather used the word *só for referents of all genders. Later stages of PIE would innovate a feminine gender, adding the feminine suffix *-h₂ to *só to create feminine *seh₂. This left the animate gender to become the masculine and the inanimate gender as the neuter.

According to some theories, the Anatolian languages split off from PIE before the development of the feminine had happened or finished, and this is why Anatolian languages such as Hittite have only an animate-inanimate distinction rather than a masculine-feminine distinction.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Slavic languages still keep the animate-inanimate distinction together with usual grammatic gender, even though this distinction is visible only in accusative case.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure that the Slavic languages' animate-inanimate distinction was innovated, rather than inherited from PIE.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the subject of gender-neutral pronouns, I always found the "I won't call you a 'they' because it's not grammatically correct for me to do so!" argument weird for two reasons:

    1. Obviously, that take is literally false. We, as a society, use "they" and "them" as singular pronouns in the case of ambiguous and unknown gender very frequently.
    1. Even if it, in some sense, were true, language is not and doesn't have to be set in stone, so there's no real reason why we can't evolve language to make they/them pronouns singular at the point of needing to do so to accommodate broader acceptance of genderqueer identity.

As any other form of bigoted rhetoric goes, it serves as a lousy excuse to justify treating certain groups of people like shit just because they deviate from the norm. It's the same shit as the nonsensical "Being gay is a choice!" rhetoric that theocratic conservatives abused in the past, a time when gay people were a more socially acceptable target. The two aforementioned points are mirrored here:

    1. It's false.
    1. Even if it were true, it still wouldn't make homophobia a good thing.
[–] BioWarfarePosadist@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're 100% willfully ignorant. If you point out that singular They appeared in Oxford writing in the 14th century and basically every Shakespeare play had singular they pronouns used often, you get something about how only lame nerds read Shakespeare and Oxford is for losers.

So much for the great English tradition...

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

smuglord "I bet you think you have an argument there, huh? Well, guess what, you're a NERD!!! Ha! Another wokie owned with FACTS and LOGIC once again!"

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

They also say how it's not actually singular they.

They're deranged fascists that can't even comprehend their own language.

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

great post, thank you comrade