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Totally selected the wrong meme for the old title, but here we are.

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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I actually really like this. I suffer heavily from Imposter Syndrom, and one of the biggest realizations I had was that my new project manager manages to keep his job despite being absolutely horrible at it.

The one previous to him was worse.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Unfortunately it's a "liars market" in that liars get "whatever" jobs they want, to hell with credentials.

Unfortunately I'm pretty much incapable of bullshitting, I'm honest to a gigantic fault. So many job listings with insane requirements and then people say "just apply anyway." ....no? They're asking for a thing and I don't have it. I'm not the kind of person to Google "how to do my job" after I've been hired.

I seriously need to get out of my job, but seeing all these "dog shit cleaners. Masters degree required. Pay: $2/hr" is insanely depressing...

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Most jobs are terrible at distinguishing between requirements, responsibilities, and nice to haves. Most requirements are actually responsibilities which means you'll need to learn those skills but don't need to already know them. As long as you think you can pick them up you should be fine.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

You apply anyway because half the time the things jobs "require" is the same marketing fluff they add everywhere. Similarly to you I have a hard time bullshitting because I try to be honest about what I know and what I don't, and for the first few years of my career I was incapable of bullshitting. Then my credentials were required for a project and I had to sit down with a sales person to "fix up" my resume. It went something like this:

"Was Power BI used in this project?"

"Well, yes, but I didn't really use it. I opened it maybe once."

"I'll mark it down as experience with Power BI"

Really opened my eyes to how things get done. Some of what gets added as "requirements" tend to never come up. During an interview it's always worthwhile to prod a bit at the requirements to see what is and isn't bullshit, because I guarantee there is always some bullshit that you will never need.

Similarly don't be afraid to bullshit a bit on your resume because you can't know everything about everything. Bit of technical jargon but I'll get to the point, I swear. My first job switch was for a position that required experience with microservices. This was in the early days when people were still figuring out what these mystical microservices are. I was then working on a project that was using a microservice architecture, but I never felt like the project was getting any real benefits from that decision and the applications didn't feel "micro". Nevertheless I put it down as experience and I rationalized it as it's experience either way. If it's done right and I see it done the same way in a different project then it does mean I have the experience. If it's not done right then I'll have the experience of how it could be done wrong which means I still have some experience. Kinda BS but it landed me the position. I then learned that my experience was both right and wrong, so I quickly learned from the mistakes of the previous project, learned how to do it right and applied them in the new project. In the end I was highly regarded in the project despite at first feeling like I bullshitted myself in. As long as you're willing to put in the effort to overcome your shortcomings you're allowed to bullshit a little, because nobody cares as long as things get done without huge issues. Just don't sell yourself on things you know you can't overcome.

[–] Killer_Tree@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Just be honest with yourself if you think you could do the job. If so, apply. If you get an interview, then Google how to do the job and watch some videos about that position, the software that is used, lingo, etc. 90% of the people interviewing you will have virtually no idea what the job is, they are just asking questions to see if seems like you think you know what you are doing. If you get the job, even if you DO know how to do it, still Google how to do it and keep learning and mastering it. The only people who perfectly know how to do a job are usually those who are ready to move to a new position or ready to retire.

[–] QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My team is currently hiring, and I got to listen in on the conversation with HR when they were developing the job posting. The job posting includes requirements that the team knows they are unlikely to find, especially finding all of them in a single candidate. The posting calls them requirements, but really it's more of a wish list. If you come across listings where you meet half of their requirements (wish list), and think you can learn some of the others, you should apply.

[–] runeko@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Apply. Just be honest on your resume and honest in the interview. Source: I sometimes hire, but do not write the job postings.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

Imposter Syndrome is just the flipside of Dunning-Kruger. You must not let it paralyse you but you should know that it is a good thing. You can't get better unless you believe there is room to get better. And there always is room to get better, so you've been on the right track from the getgo.

[–] shani66@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago

Seems to be a requirement for managerial positions that you are completely worthless as a person. The majority of management I've seen in my time did nothing but actively take away value from the company, the employee's lives, and the customer's experience.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I get older I think I get less confident in others faster than I get more confident in myself.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Me too. Feels shit doesn't it?

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's pretty freeing to realize that most people have no idea what's going on and that includes who you may perceive is at a high level. (Almost) Everyone has to report to someone and once you get past three levels from the top, it's like playing a game of telephone where the people at the top start with gibberish in the first place.

Do your best, learn every day (or don't), and don't be so hard on yourself. Nobody has any idea what's going on.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Everyone has to answer to someone.

Underlings to their managers, managers to senior management, senior management to C-suite, CEO has to answer to the board and shareholders.

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[–] businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

been battling impostor syndrome for my whole career, and today i learned that one of the new (not new to the field) people on my team doesn't know how to use excel, the thing i spend like 50% of my working hours using.

worrying for my team and maybe the industry, but very comforting personally lol

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ask how much they get paid, then go to your boss asking for a raise because you can actually use excel, and this other person can't. You deserve more than they do, and id your boss won't give you the raise, you can go down to your coworkers level and stop using excel.

It never takes them long to see your value when you stop giving it to them.

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[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is just describing the last owner of our house.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lol, my wife and I are having to deal with a retaining wall built in the 70s and left to rot. It was a cheap-ass railroad tie and wood retaining wall and if it's not fixed, our house will slide off a hill.

$170k to fix... When I said lol earlier, I meant I want to cry.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy fuck, we have a railroad tie retaining wall for the bank in our back yard, but that's keeping the bank from sliding towards the house, not for keeping the house up, and still, it's not even holding much back. I'd never trust that for anything critical. No way that would ever be approved today.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They're literally not approved by state ordinances anymore. And the previous 30 years of owners just completely neglected it. The soil erosion is so bad and it's a shame because we can see the remnants of what used to be a beautiful backyard.

We thought the fix would be closer to 50k when we bought it, which would have been mostly paid for by our previous house sale. But here we are with an entire house worth of repairs in our lap...

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[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago

This helped me be confident I could learn to drive as a grownup: there are people out there who vote for deplorable and appalling candidates and have no self-awareness about it. Yet everyone pretty much appears to be able to drive alright.*

* does not apply in Boston namaste

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

What if I'm indeed mediocre at the thing and this only encourages to believe in my self inflated ego and carry on like normal?

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Saying things confidently incorrect is like my whole identity.

[–] wellee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I will make sure to watch out for your other comments on this site ☠

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[–] button_masher@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

You said that fairly confidently.. do I believe you or not?

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure which one of the people in the meme I am, but they pay me pretty good to do what I do so I'm not gonna stop.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but do you have plans to do it better and/or are you getting paid?

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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Man I really used to rinse people when I was young.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

I know my worth!

...it's less. As in: worthless. Lol

[–] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I am sure the people she is denegrating are comforting themselves even now, imagining she is talking to them.

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