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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 124 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Mint, peppers, and caffeine, the holy trinity of "plant defenses that did not work on humans."

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

On the other hand, being useful to humans have made them some of the most widespread and successful plant species on the planet.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Being useful to humans is the single most important factor in evolutionary success rates.

Sure, there's 8 billion of us, but we collectively KILL ~~30 billion~~ 70. 70 goddamn billion chickens every year, and there's always more of those fuckers. We kill more than double the number of chickens every year than are ever currently even alive. That's how many chickens there are.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Will humanity ever get rid of chickens???

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Grass: is useless

Humans: "Growing a nutritionally useless plant demonstrates that Im so wealthy I can afford to waste arable land"

Grass: is now one of the dominant species on earth

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We made grains from grass. If you let most grasses get tall enough to seed, they look like green wheat.

Also I'm not certain, but wheat and corn may give grass a run for their money in acreage cover, if you count the wheat and corn as a single species, but count each specific grass separately.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol pls.

That's the r-rated version.

The true trinity is nicotine, cocaine and opiates.

And also,

"Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced."

— Terence McKenna

[–] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yang

the masculine active principle in nature that in Chinese cosmology is exhibited in light, heat, or dryness and that combines with yin to produce all that comes to be

It distorts the connotation, but it wouldn't be too far off to use, say, "macho" instead. It just feels weird to apply such words to plants.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Particularly peppers lol.

Ah, mild pain! The perfect addition to my diet.

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[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Cilantro: best I can do is 20%.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Hallucinogens, nicotine, caffeine, all evolved for plant defense and all of them are used recreationally.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] cynar@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

THC is a heat shock defence. The fact it has such an effect on us is purely coincidental.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Yes, that is one of the possible explanations for trichomes. However, In literature there are several potential reasons for cannabis producing THC listed, some of them are:

-deterring certain insect and other herbivores -Anti-microbial effects -UV light protection

Claiming that heat shock defense is the only reason seems like a simplification, considering that scientists are still researching the matter.

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It used to also be insect deterrent but since we've bred cannabis to have so much lovely THC that the globules are too large and dry to work. But that's ok because cannabis has domesticated humans enough that we've invented climate controlled hothouses to grow them in.

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

And Willow, tobacco... You could also count things like Digitalis, which are rather toxic but usefull medications.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Counterpoint; those plants are now cultivated in huge numbers, thus ensuring the successful and continued propogation of their genetic legacies.

From an evolutionary perspective, those defences worked too well.

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[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 79 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"Can you make me spicy as fuck so no creatures want to eat me?"

"OK bruv flawless plan."

[–] raydenuni@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Still a good joke as we're mammals, but peppers's spice is so that birds, and not mammals, eat their seeds and poop them out far away as birds aren't bothered by capsaicin.

[–] Ferris 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

lending purpose to an evolutionary trait is a mistake. It is possibly that mechanism by which they attained some degree of success, but evolution doesn't 'think' unless youre into predeterminism like that.

[–] raydenuni@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Totally. Perhaps a better way to phrase it would be, the successful result of the adaptation was that birds spread their seeds instead of mammals. Until us.

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[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Also humans: Imma smoke you too

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

And it would have worked flawlessly if it weren't for humans, the single most metal species to have ever graced this planet, that likes to subject itself to mild and moderate suffering for amusement and recreational purposes.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In fact, humans started cultivating mint and chili, hence it worked

[–] axsyse@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There are billions of cows, chickens, etc. in the world. Purely by numbers, those species are incredibly successful. Yet, If not for humans finding them tasty and easy to manage, we would not have bred them to this degree and they wouldn't have reached this degree of success. Somehow, against all odds, being tasty/something we want to eat has somehow become an incredibly valuable and successful adaptation.

Evolution is absolutely wild, and this really drives home the fact that evolution isn't about the individual's likelihood of survival, but their likelihood of reproduction.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Depends on how you define success. If you look purely at population numbers, yes. However, if you look at how they live in industrial animal mass production facilities, no.

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[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Well, now it has. But uhhh, rest in pieces to all those species that were tasty ,but too much of a hassle

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Didnt work so well for the mammoth and Aurochs. I guess you have to be a manageable size.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

A highly adaptative strategy. The plan failed very successfully.

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"But little did nature know that man loves to SUFFER"

[–] mihnt@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] robocall@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You got some explaining to do!

[–] mihnt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Shhhh. It's ok. You have fresh breath now.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I swear I’ve seen this image before but without the laugh track at the bottom, and the bottom-left panel only had the top line. Brevity is etc etc

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The Life Cycle of Memes. I'm sourcing some of these from the bottom of the troth.

[–] NaibofTabr 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sourcing some of these from the bottom of the troth.

9gag?

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago
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[–] skylestia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

why does it feel like i can breath better while chewing very minty gum? i mean i assume it's just an illusion but i've always wondered

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Menthol increases your mouth's sensitivity to coldness. The air you breathe in is generally cooler than your mouth, so the air moving by as you breathe is much more noticeable.

[–] skylestia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Oh cool, that's interesting! Thanks!

That also explains why drinking cold water almost hurts after having a mint lol

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It may be some or other thing with your nose. For instance runny nose after eating spicy food is a known atypical reaction and happens a lot with people with deformed nose wall

[–] Ferris 5 points 2 years ago

affecting 80% of people

[–] Zoop@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

I didn't know that a runny nose from spicy food wasn't a typical reaction! Neat! I'm not surprised that my nasal wall is likely deformed like the rest of me hahaha. Thanks for the interesting information!

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (9 children)

By doing this they have effectively secured their survival. We will never stop growing them.

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[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

MOUTH COOL!

MOUTH COOL!

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