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In this case, I'm referring to the notion that we all make minor sacrifices in our daily interactions in service of a "greater good" for everyone.

"Following the rules" would be a simplified version of what I'm talking about, I suppose. But also keeping an awareness/attitude about "How will my choices affect the people around me in this moment? "Common courtesy", "situational awareness", etc...

I don't know that it's a "new" phenomenon by any means, I just seem to have an increasing (subjective) awareness of it's decline of late.

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[–] jray4559@lemmy.fmhy.net 4 points 2 years ago

It's a bit of confirmation bias. Once something "big" happens to you, you start seeing little things that you'd before just write off.

But a part of it is the increase in homeless people. Many of them, thanks to mental illness and drug addiction, can't follow a social contract.

Of course, naturally, they get left on the street where they ruin everyone else's day instead of being forced into an area where they can exhaust themselves out, and get their illnesses treated.

Because that would cost too much money, of course, as if letting those people lose their grip on reality and break shit doesn't already cost money.

[–] Serpardum@lemmyonline.com 3 points 2 years ago

Absolutely,.

[–] LittleBoBanny@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I just went to Japan and Korea, and seeing the difference between there and here (US) is jarring. You’d almost have to go there and spend some time immersed in it to pick up on the many ways they cooperate and help each other - from the government, to safety regulations and equipment, to the day-to-day interactions. We could really learn something from them.

[–] waterbogan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is increasingly a problem in my country (New Zealand) too, its not just the USA. It seems to be mostly a Western world thing. Going to Japan and places like that where the social contract is still upheld is very refreshing

[–] focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The nihilistic energy of the early 2020s isn’t new but it has been front and center for awhile. I’m hoping it fades.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not witnessing this rampant disregard for the social contract. Most people pay their taxes, don't assault others, follow traffic laws, etc.

I guess there are examples like for example the mask thing during the pandemic. But we can have different opinions on what constitutes the social contract.

Maybe I believe I should only wear a mask when I'm sick. If I follow that protocol, in my mind I am still following the rules of the social contract. Someone who believes you should wear a mask 100% of the time may feel I am not following the social contract.

Some people would agree with the first and some with the second and others with something entirely different.

The real litmus test for me is the laws. The social contract isn't simply a morality / ethics thing. It's an agreement "you don't get in my way and I won't get in yours" and that's pretty much what has sparked our common laws.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All the time. There are things many people do which cause me (and others) physical pain because of a medical condition. They don't mean to cause me harm, but because they have a mental model of everyone sharing similar abilities as themselves, it simply doesn't occur to them that the one small thing they're doing has negative consequences for others. It's a monkeysphere thing, it's nobody's fault.

I get past it by remembering that I am also incapable of remembering everyone's needs at all times. I'm sure there are many things I have done which seemed completely mundane at the time, but affected someone else negatively. No matter how hard I tried.

The people who still do things like casually block the entire sidewalk with a heavy rental e-bike still pisses me off. But, not for as long as it used to. And if it's something I can fix for someone else who can't, I'll try to do that too.

I also try hard to ensure I actively remember other people's needs where I can. If I can create less suffering, I think that's a good thing to try for.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What do people do that causes you pain?

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

To be brief, I have a painful condition where I injure myself by standing or walking for too long. If I overdo it I can be (and have been, many times) confined to bed for days.

It isn't something you would ever really think about if you weren't in my position, but society really assumes you can stand for as long as you need to. Seating is a "convenience" for 90% of people, not a necessity.

Public spaces will frequently only a couple of seats, which will already be taken by others like me. An invite to a random bar by a friend can be a huge problem, queueing is even more hellish than for most people, kitchens are built with the assumption you will be standing to cook... limited standing ability has much wider reaching consequences than you would ever think.

Anytime someone sits in a seat just for convenience instead of need is painful, because there are usually very few. Anytime someone holds an event and does not organise for seating means I have to leave. Others plan routes around cost and walking time, I do it by seating opportunities. Even something tiny like parents letting their bored kids climb and play all over the only bench in an art gallery means I will be in more pain, because the gallery designers assume you stand to view the works.

I don't get out much. One of the worst parts is that you can't prevent your mind from linking physical pain to all activity. When peak covid hit and shops and parks etc. barred off seating areas to "prevent people from congregating", that was not a good time for me.

Sorry, didn't mean to unload, that just sort of spilled out. It looks like I have some self-care to do.

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you use any tools to give you relieve? The most basic one would be a walking stick for support (if your arms work well). A foldable walker you can also sit on works even better, but might be too much of a hassle.

Or you take it really far and see if something like that is commercially available by now: https://futurism.com/the-chairless-chair-allows-you-to-sit-anywhere

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Walking stick I have used for a long time, but it creates asymmetry if you aren't thorough enough about swapping sides with long-term use. Been there, done that. I still use them in airports or other places where i know I'm going to have a really bad time. But truth be told, I hate them. Losing the use of a hand is really really irritating. And then when starts raining and you use an umbrella, you lose use of both hands. Infuriating.

Walkers are probably ok, but I can actually walk very quickly most of the time if I'm being careful with my standing time budget, and the extra bulk makes it harder to carry more stuff. Which is frequently the reason I'm out of the house, picking up shopping etc. So a portable seat would be a win, but not without cost, so probably a draw overall.

I have considered a chairless chair, and it's spin-offs. But I have a suspicion that the weight distribution required for 'sitting' might create more problems than it solves in my specific case, and I can't just borrow one to test that theory. The thought of how people will react is exhausting too.

I was going to buy a collapsible telescopic stool, and I may still do so, but it can only address part of the overall problem. For example, if you're at a social event and everyone else is standing... you end up just being stuck there at crotch-height. Very awkward.

The best solution is the social contract. Everyone benefits from having more seating options available of various heights and configurations in public places. Notice how often at a gathering people eventually end up sitting to chat, because standing for a long time is no fun for anyone!

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