This is what everyone that isn’t super into politics that I know has been saying for years, and why I’m insanely worried about November
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The covid years were a blur. I struggle to remember 2020-2022. It's all fuzzy.
It astounds me how ignorant some people are. Where did this idea even come from?
It's not a complicated cycle.
Day 1: Here's why Biden is bad
Day 2: Here's why Biden sucks
Day 3: Here's why no one likes Biden
Day 4: Trump has a plan to put everyone in prison
Day 5: Biden sucks
...
Day 497: New poll indicates people don't like Biden <- We are here Day 498: Unemployment mysteriously hits lowest point in 20 years Day 499: Biden sucks
Adding:
Days 300-500: OP
I am not a big fan of Biden and only grudgingly supported him so I think most of these critiques were valid. But Trump was also subject to a lot of criticism in the media and still is today. Furthermore, I didn’t see much difference in the economy between the two. Neither instituted many significant policies to change the large structural economic issues that negatively affect most Americans today.
But I don’t understand where this mythology around the Trump economy came from in the first place. It wasn’t like the economy under Trump was particularly stellar. As today, typical economic conditions reigned. Many Americans were able to survive OK as long as you were not young or poor. Otherwise get fucked. Today things are much the same.
Furthermore, I didn’t see much difference in the economy between the two.
You can't see the difference between student loan forgiveness, CHIPS act, infrastructure act, and generally being a boring center-right Democrat, versus "let's put tariffs on Canada and start a trade war with China and fuck up the Covid response so badly that people can steal up to half a trillion dollars from the treasury and basically get away with it?"
There are things to dislike about Biden and I would agree with some of them, and not every single thing the president does will be felt on the level of any particular individual, but comparing the two on real-adult stuff like economic policy is like comparing a pilot's performance against having a Golden Retriever fly the airplane.
They have important policy differences but my point is that the general state of the economy is not very different for me or the average person. Like my personal economic situation is not noticeably different for having Biden as president vs. Trump. I’m aware of these policies but they haven’t changed the lives of me or anyone I know. So it’s weird to me that people think the economy could be great under one and terrible under another. I would consider conditions under both to be mediocre overall.
If you had your student debt canceled I’m sure that’s a huge deal but my understanding is it was a small number of people. Please correct me if that’s incorrect.
They have important policy differences
No, they don't. Biden has important policy differences with other adult politicians and those differences are worth talking about. Trump eats McDonald's and watches Fox News and rants about Mexican rapists and makes incoherent yelling at his advisors that sometimes they translate into crazy policy decisions for him, but there's nothing like a "policy." He thinks that tariffs are money that another country pays to us, and so sometimes he'll create a tariff that will create very real harm to real people inside the US, and then brag about how much money we're going to collect because of it, because he doesn't know his ass from his elbow as far as "policy" and doesn't want to learn. I meant that analogy like the Golden Retriever flying the airplane as a very serious description of the situation where Trump is making economic "decisions." It's like a toddler cooking dinner. It's like putting a crypto bro in charge of the federal reserve. It's insane on a level that's easy to normalize and lose sight of, and you're feeding into that normalization by talking about Trump's "policy."
Like my personal economic situation is not noticeably different for having Biden as president vs. Trump. I’m aware of these policies but they haven’t changed the lives of me or anyone I know.
(1) This is a bad way to approach the question "is person A better to lead the country or person B", like if you or your friends don't personally have kids then education isn't important, but more importantly (2) Yes they have. Normally, this argument would be plausible because the mechanisms are so indirect, but the gulf between Trump and Biden is so vast that I'm easily confident enough telling you that there has been a difference.
I'll give an example: Around a million people have died of Covid, and a lot of them didn't need to, but Trump fucked up the Covid response basically as badly as it's possible to do without deliberately making the vaccine illegal or something. For any of the people who died because of Trump's incompetence (some friends-of-friends of mine did), their economic lives have been changed because of the difference between Trump and Biden. They can't go to work or support their families anymore.
If you had your student debt canceled I’m sure that’s a huge deal but my understanding is it was a small number of people. Please correct me if that’s incorrect.
It's $138 billion to 3.9 million people.
You’re missing my point. I’m not saying that our individual economic well being is a rational way to decide who to vote for. It clearly isn’t, and maybe I should have stated that explicitly since it is a common erroneous assumption.
But unfortunately that is a way that many people contextualize their vote, and what I’m saying is that even from that perspective, the idea that the “Trump economy” was better seems totally disconnected from reality.
3.9M is a lot of people so maybe I underestimated the reach of this program.
people are terrible at accurate correlation. they attribute the successes of the obama adminstration (as modest as they might have been) to trump. the decline and eventual implosion of the trump economy gets attributed to biden.
Republicans are great at this game. they vow to break government, do so and then make the Democrats pick up the pieces
...should the orange turd actually squelch its way back into the white house (a very real possibility at this point), any improvement made by the biden administration will be attributed to the skidmark in chief.
I'm gonna be straight. Shit has always sucked. Nobody has ever made it like "Damn, I am just so well off now that this dude is in office." Maybe I've just always been poor. So why vote for the guy with 91 felonies currently sucking the GOP dry?
Exactly. Even if the impacts of the national economy were felt among the average voter most presidents shouldn't actually influence the market much at all anyway. Trumps solitary mission in office was to loosen regulations on corpos though so he, in fact, did help the economy to the detriment of pretty much everything else. It's an idiotic metric, countries aren't businesses and saying "profit levels are down 18% :(" is meaningless when profit levels have been steadily ascending to disgusting heights for decades.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
(For the record, in 2019 people did indeed rate the economy well, but views cratered in Trump's last year in office, during the pandemic.)
This is part of a larger dynamic: Some of Mr. Biden's polling deficits come from his own Democratic base being relatively more critical of him.
Most Americans think Trump did try to stay in office past his term, but just under half think he tried to do so illegally.
But the rest of the country — including those who think he tried to stay legally, would overwhelmingly return Trump to office.
"Negative" and "depressing" are voters' most commonly picked descriptions, when asked about their expectations of another Biden-Trump campaign.
This CBS News/YouGov survey was conducted with a nationally representative sample of 2,159 U.S. adult residents interviewed between February 28-March 1, 2024.
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Good for WHOM??? did they poll rich shitbags? Nobody under 40 for sure.