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Among the usual claims about a trillion Uyghurs being murdered in concentration camps and the women being sterilized, the “professor” also claimed that Uyghurs weren’t recognized as one of China’s 55 ethnic minorities (they are) and that Islam is banned in China (it’s not) They didn’t provide any sources too lmao

Yes, they’re a white liberal

No, there wasn’t a single mention of Palestine

How do you become a Professor when you can’t even be bothered to google what the fuck you’re talking about? Does saying “China bad” give you a PhD now? The level of academic dishonesty is staggering, aren’t universities supposed to take this stuff seriously? Surely there must be a way to report professors spreading racist conspiracy theories as fact. It’s not just a political thing, the intellectual laziness is so extreme they cannot even get the most basic background facts right. At this point I would be surprised if they know which continent China is in.

But hey, at least they got to trivialize actual genocides by putting them next to the Uyghur “genocide”

If I pulled any of this shit in a paper - no sources, lies debunked in two seconds - I would at a minimum instantly fail the class and probably face a serious risk of being suspended and/or expelled for academic fraud.

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had an agroecology professor who pushed individualised solutions hard. They'd highlight every way capitalism is existentially killing us and then say "you should recycle and volunteer at a food bank". Zero radical content to the entire course. At one point they casually mentioned that they do a lot of consulting work for cattle ranchers and corporate farmers who are the ones actively destroying this region. They said that in our building that's sponsored by a major agribusiness and posts its other industrial sponsors on the walls as you walk in.

The day after the revolution, all liberal academics will be forced to do a struggle session in their classroom. It will consist of writing "When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor" 500 times on the blackboard.

[–] throwaway82901@discuss.online 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing better than being told China is murdering millions of Muslims in the Lockheed Martin - Raytheon Martin - Northrop Grumman “Kill the Browns” Lecture Hall

But back to your example, this would be like the prof saying that recycling is banned in China. It’s not just an odious display of horrific politics, it’s an obvious lie that even NATOpedia debunks.

After the Revolution these people should be awarded an anti-PhD that bars them from ever coming within a 10 mile radius of any educational institution.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

Red Guard trials which end in them being sentenced to a degree in sociology with free tuition and a generous student stipend so they can focus on their studies.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Universities in America have been deeply unserious for a very long time, if not for their entire existence

If I pulled any of this shit in a paper - no sources, lies debunked in two seconds - I would at a minimum instantly fail the class and probably face a serious risk of being suspended and/or expelled for academic fraud.

That would only happen if the paper you wrote without sources and full of lies were against the liberal worldview. A lesson I learned early in university was that most professors - not all - are just looking for their own ideas and perspectives to be parroted back to them. If you wrote a paper for the DEI class about the uyghur genocide and sprinkled in a bunch of made-up ETIM claims I bet the worst you'd get is a passing grade and a note about improving your works cited or something.

[–] throwaway82901@discuss.online 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

are just looking for their own ideas and perspectives to be parroted back to them

Yeah I’ve played that game plenty of times. The thing is, it’s usually just about their dumbass pet theory about how the Qin emperor was an ancient Nietzschean and not fabricating basic facts.

Surely this warrants the chair telling them to maybe skim the google search results before lecturing others. Just kidding, I know they won’t do anything about it.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if they doubt the western narrative, saying something about it just paints a target on their own back. I'm sure you've had the experience of arguing against the existence of the uyghur genocide and being told by someone who likely "supports israel's right to self defense" that you're being islamophobic. Liberals wield these words without any connection to reality, so getting fired for "islamophobia" and/or "genocide denial" would be very damaging to an academic's career. Look at what happened to Norman Finkelstein - and he's not just an academic, he's devoted his study to the history of Palestine. His family died in the Holocaust, but even that wasn't enough to protect him from academic ruin.

[–] throwaway82901@discuss.online 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just don’t feel right not doing anything about someone laundering lies of literal terrorists. I want to leave at least some impact beyond whining about them on RMP - anonymously if possible. Zionist students have free reign to terrorize and assault Arab students and hold genocidal hate rallies with one Zionist fuck holding a “kill them all” sign with zero consequences while the admin sends out emails fearmongering about antisemitism. Oh and also some creepy old Zionist showed up to threaten to rape and murder Arab students. So publicly opposing the western narrative is inviting death threats and physical attacks.

Depending on how shitty the professor is, if you write what they want to hear but voice criticism in class you might be able to effect some pushback and make an impact on other students while also not tanking your grade. The whole "academia" thing encourages lively debate ( jagoff ) so the professor might feel pressed to allow in-class discussion where they'd feel less compelled to humor pushback in an assignment they're grading in private

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The answer is simple: the personal qualities of present-day professors are such that we may find among them even exceptionally stupid people like Tugan. But the social status of professors in bourgeois society is such that only those are allowed to hold such posts who sell science to serve the interests of capital, and agree to utter the most fatuous nonsense, the most unscrupulous drivel and twaddle against the socialists. The bourgeoisie will forgive the professors all this as long as they go on “abolishing” socialism.

V. I. Lenin, "A Liberal Professor on Equality," 1914

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

we need to bring back the word "twaddle"

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

one of the more demoralizing / disheartening features of my time in academic-adjacent outreach has been witnessing the ubiquitous

intellectual laziness

among so-called public intellectuals.

also, the public perception of tenure and its actual function within the organization are wildly at odds. tenure does not protect novel ideas or curiosity. tenure is a treat offered to careerist sophists that hit intellectually dubious metrics dreamed up by highly profitable, rent-seeking academic journals and the incurious peers in thrall to them.

there is something so repulsive about the high concentration of individuals with highly specialized training in conducting an investigation not applying any of those tools to their surroundings. it is such a waste.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Report them for academic fraud

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd be surprised how many academics are thin-skinned incompetents jealously guarding their positions against competent people.

I've worked with several in the past, but not that many, and two of them straight-up plagiarized and got away with it.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

You leave bill ackmans wife alone!! wojak-nooo

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

The claims of Uygur genocide are Zenzational

fain-cool

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I were you I'd just show a gif compilation of Muslims on YouTube going to mosques in China

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know as well as OP does that it just gets into endless discourse about propaganda and supposed Potemkin mosques and so on.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yep those mosques are actually cardboard cutouts, same with the muslims

[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Its true. I was one of the mosques.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, though at the very least correcting them on the obvious fact that the Uyghurs are a recognized minority could be something. That obviously doesn't change their claims that they are being genocided, but just the blunt nature of asking, with no further argument: "professor why did you lie to us the other day?"

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

That much is definitely fair, and it could definitely rattle some of the people who credulously listened before

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The “leaked” documents from the program shows Xì allegedly giving a speech in which he states that he’s inspired by the American war on terror response to terrorism. No one seems to mention this at all lol. I’m sure racial profiling, discrimination, abused, etc. happen because imbalanced power dynamics attract a certain type of person, and because many of the central Xinjiang leaders are Han. But to suggest a literal genocide is happening is absurd.

[–] Shinji_Ikari@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

I don't even think you need to go for leaked statements. China in the early 2000's had an extremist group in the area added to an international terrorist watchlist, and it was only removed a bit before Uyghur genocide shit started up. You can go through the list of terror attacks in the region and see the official response frame it in terms of trying to stop terrorism.

China does a lot of cool shit but they also suffer from some of the same flaws that plague American politics. Ie in the book "Blockchain chicken farm", the author interviews some local Chinese police on surveillance and facial recognition and the Chinese cops flatly say they're trying to catch up to American police in terms of surveillance.

I'm sorry this is all so vague, I had my brain power sapped by redditors this morning.

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

The “leaked” documents from the program shows Xì allegedly giving a speech in which he states that he’s inspired by the American war on terror response to terrorism.

May I see this?

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The level of academic dishonesty is staggering, aren’t universities supposed to take this stuff seriously?

A Universities primary purpose is churning out economically useable people and / or kickstarting some new technology that promises to be an entire field of business.

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

No. Its reproducing a class. The relationship to economic usefulness is at best incidental. The point is to signal to the rubes that they have more "merit" and to the initiated that they are in on it. Same with mandarinism in ancient china, of how much use was the poetry and other subjects in the imperial exam to the life of a beurocrat? Same with trivia about the life of the prophet in some islamic societies.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Call the professor deeply unserious.

[–] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Death threats may be taking things a bit far.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you tell them in class you got into an argument with your tankie friend about China and need for him to share these sources to convince your friend? And then when they may give you some obvious propaganda source question their trustworthiness because you know your friend is really skeptical?

That would be pretty funny.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

They'll probably just tell OP to do their own research or at best send an Zenz source laundered through the NYT.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

How do you become a Professor when you can’t even be bothered to google what the fuck you’re talking about? Does saying “China bad” give you a PhD now?

Well, Adrian Zenz has one.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah politics aside, this is not something backed by academic rigor or well sourced. Plus as far as they are concerned, it is still ongoing and they clearly don't have much to examine as it stands. Even the Rohingya genocide has actual documentaries and a bunch of international bodies with detailed reports.

[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Contradicting the professor is absolutely a hill I'd die on if I were in that class.