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[–] lemmingnosis@lemmy.world 150 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“I would estimate that the entire fediverse is developed off of the backs of maybe, at best, 100 engineers,” she said. “All of whom are either low paid, underpaid, or unpaid, who are trying to build software, and at the same time, are supporting the userbase of monthly active users in the range of 1.1 million to 7.4 million.”

Transcription-Kevin Durant meme, "LIKE 100 PEOPLE:"..."Y'ALL THE REAL MVPS"

[–] THE_MASTERMIND@feddit.ch 17 points 2 years ago

My respect goes to them

[–] Takeshidude@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

If anyone is looking for an alternative to discord, please check out revolt.chat The interface and user experience is the closest I've seen to discord (miles better than any Matrix client), has functioning voice chat (being rebuilt for more stability) custom server roles, and a functioning youtube music bot called Remix. They're doing awesome work over there!

Edit: Forgot to mention that it's also open-source and self-hostable (although not federated)

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think the problem with projects like that is they end up with stuff like this: https://i.imgur.com/PRX4haL.png where the only recommended client is one that is unmaintained.

Though I hope Revolt succeeds because Discord has way too big of a monopoly.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Though I hope Revolt succeeds because Discord has way too big of a monopoly.

I don’t understand why everyone thought moving everything to discord was a good idea that wouldn’t backfire for a million reasons.

[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

By chance do you happen to use Revolt? If so, do you (or @Takeshidude@lemmy.world) know which client might be good to use?

[–] Takeshidude@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I have just started using it, but I’m planing to migrate my small Discord group over to Revolt.

If you go to their website revolt.chat it’ll offer a download for desktop or a link to the web app, but they’re basically the same. They’re working on an updated client called Frontend which you can get a beta of from GitHub.

I’m on an iPhone and I used the save to Home Screen function in Safari while in the web app to get an icon for it, and I think it works pretty well! It can even do push notifications, but some weird artifacts of using the web app on mobile mean you’ll only get notifications from mentions in a server or a direct message (or group message).

[–] cevn@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I did try it, but it was missing video streaming last I checked. Also, they made self hosting without docker incredibly difficult.

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[–] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Takeshidude@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've got a Matrix server up and running and have tried a couple of different clients, but at the end of the day the Matrix UX isn't really an alternative to Discord, rather an alternative to Facebook Messenger/WhatsApp or other group message platforms.

The main thing I would point to is that Matrix itself only does text; the Element client uses Jitsi to add in audio/video calls and screensharing, but at least right now, it's the only Matrix client to integrate voice, video, or screenshare.

My other gripes are just with the user interface, but if you open any of the Matrix mobile apps and compare it to Facebook Messenger and to the Discord mobile app, and you'll see it really doesn't look like Discord. I wish I could quantify it better, but Matrix just doesn't feel like Discord whereas Revolt does.

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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

installed userbase and the inertial resistance of individuals users (and even more so as a group)

[–] sag@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Not Similar to Discord

[–] stown@sedd.it 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Jumping from one proprietary system to another isn't really an improvement.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At least you have control over your data and you and your friends can blame you for server crashes lol.

[–] stown@sedd.it 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I didn't realize it was possible to host your own backend locally... I thought it was just hosting the webUI locally.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

Yep, you can host it all yourself. Both UI and the server. Not sure how backwards compatible the "public" client is - I remember Rocket.chat Android client breaking by not updating the server on at least 2 occasions over the past 2 years.

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[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Costly? They were pretty pathetic spam attempts that are still ongoing.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 104 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ingress and egress costs are real and those assholes attached images to their spam. Hundreds of posts coming in at 700kb a pop does damage if you're relying on a cloud provider to store your shit. Then, it gets accessed by all your users.

Billing alarms go bing bing bing.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 28 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yeah, I’m running a Lemmy instance maybe we missed out on the bulk of it but it’s been pretty sad over here as far as being able to call it an attack.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have open registration? If not, you probably benefitted from other mods work on this one.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I definitely have benefited as fellow admins were on top of it to the point of automated removal. That’s one of the main reasons this spam attempt is pathetic.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Ingress is typically free, but yes

[–] maddy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 years ago

I saw a few instances had large bills from their CDNs because some spammers uploaded many attachments. I don't think this is from the current wave of spam about the Japanese discord server though

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Discord only cares about piracy and cp. Because the copyright industry and the police forces them to, respectively.

I doubt they would spend resources on curbing even that if they werent forced tbh.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would a company like discord even attempt to take action against coordinated attacks against anything they see as a threat? That'd only be shooting them in the foot because then people would have the most minute expectation of them doing anything good.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 50 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Because some of these actions might qualify as criminal offenses and if Discord had knowledge about it or even supported it, they'd be complicit.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 21 points 2 years ago

I really hope this blows up in their face if true.

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[–] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Discord:

  • Takes down accounts for mass reporting without checking the issue.
  • Takes down accounts for sharing slightly copyrighted content.
  • Takes down accounts for using alternative discord clients.
  • Doesn't take down accounts related to coordinated spam attacks to another platform.

Discord being discord I guess, but it's weird, I've seen them take down servers and accounts for all sorts of light issues, but not for this?

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which is wild because Discord has taken down servers for what is in my opinion pretty benign stuff like independent Korean comic localization groups. (Although I personally don't use those because it's generally very shifty people trying to enter DMs of vulnerable people, just get a website dudes).

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've seen several people say that Matrix clients aren't good at replacing Discord, but I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is missing. What critical features does Discord have that a client like Element lacks?

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Here's a critical feature: Matrix bans people using a VPN. Fuck that. I joined a channel for the first time, said "Hello", and was instantly banned for "Spam".

I have to use a VPN because I get my Internet from tethering my phone using EasyTether to make it look like phone data, and connecting to stuff like Windows Update would make it really obvious I'm doing so.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not sure if you’re joking or not so I’m gonna go see for myself, brb

Edit: what the fuck..

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are you talking about matrix.org? I have my own server. If it bans me, that'll be wild.

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[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Voice chat quality is subpar, there is no screensharing audio, voice chat is buggy on a good day, unusuable on the rest.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, there is the userbase ...

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[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I reported a server where the users harassed, both online and offline, a trans woman who later killed herself. Then they made memes about her death. Discords 'safety team' suggested I talk to the server admin (who was part of the abuse) and closed the ticket.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

They only understand when lawyers talk to them.

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