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Scoop: House Democrat floats Mike Johnson protection measure (www.axios.com)
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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a stupid move.

There's no way the republicans would give the same grace to Democrats were the situation reversed. The absolute best thing dems can do here is play hardball. Let the republican hardliners tear the party to shreds, watch the chaos, and campaign on it in the upcoming election "The republicans are completely dysfunctional, they want to eliminate abortions and their current speaker would like to eliminate birth control."

Protecting a christian nationalist speaker because his party is a mess is completely stupid.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, this could be brilliant. First off, the man can't get anything done in the House. This House is well on it's way to being the least productive ever. As campaign fodder, that's pretty good ammo. If the resolution should pass then it'll keep him where he is and nothing will get done. I know, that ideally we want the House to get shit done, but considering the state of the Republican members, it may be better for the country and even the world if they don't.

On the other hand, Democrats coming out in support of Mike Johnson this way will make the far right wing skree loud enough to shatter glass. Even moderate Republicans reflexively oppose anything that the Democrats come out in favor of. It's like they have no choice. Supporting Johnson like this will probably increase the infighting in the party and make the far right want to kick him out even more. If they do kick him out, they'll then spend another month trying to elect a new speaker thus giving the Democrats even more campaign fodder.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I just don't agree. This is the sort of weak willed "problem solving" that makes everyone hate democrats. Regardless how far right and insane johnson is, you got moderate dems willing to compromise everything because they feel they might get credit for making things more functional (They won't).

The perfect example of this is the border bill where dems bent over backwards and gave republicans every thing they wanted. Yet, immediately, the rightwing narrative was "Well dems want this and they are weak on the border so this is just another example of how weak they are on the border".

Helping out Johnson will play out exactly the same way. The far right idiots won't care if dems are compromising. That's not something that drives them nuts. Quiet the opposite, they spin it as "Look at how weak the democrats are, they compromised which just shows how righteous our position is." They also simply lie (consider how many claimed credit for the infrastructure bill they voted against).

When you have bad actors like the republican party, you don't win by trying to play their game. Giving them power is what they want no matter how they get it. Fascists don't care about hypocrisy, they care about gaining power. Compromising with fascists gives them power.

Dems aren't winning anyone over by letting the republicans give them wedgies at every opportunity.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The only way I can see this happening is if Republicans think that they have a big problem coming up from that FBI agent getting arrested, and they think Gym Jordan and some of his friends may end up facing their own charges soon. It's a long shot, but not really that implausible, is it?

They would do this not because Johnson needs protection to offer a Ukraine bill, but because Johnson may be losing his functional majority in the House soon (until the special election for McCarthy 's seat, ironically) and wants assurances that Democrats won't find a way to force a House vote to make Jeffries the Speaker for a few weeks.