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An attorney representing E. Jean Carroll has indicated the journalist could sue Donald Trump for a third time, as the former president continues to speak about her client publicly.

Speaking on MSNBC's Inside With Jen Psaki on Monday night, Shawn Crowley, an attorney for Carroll, responded to the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination telling supporters at a Michigan rally on Saturday that he had not done anything wrong to Carroll, whom he claimed he did not know, and that lawsuits against him were "unfair."

In January, a New York City jury ordered that the former president must pay $83.3 million in damages to the former Elle columnist, for statements made in 2019. He said she was lying about allegations that he sexually assaulted her inside a Manhattan department store dressing room in the 1990s. That amount includes $7.3 million in compensatory damages, $11 million for reputational repair, and $65 million in punitive damages. He has repeatedly denied all wrongdoing and has said he will appeal the verdict.

Trump was previously ordered to pay Carroll $5 million in damages in May in another civil defamation trial stemming from a denial he made about her claims in 2022. He is appealing that decision and has set aside $5.55 million with the Manhattan Court as part of that process. Newsweek contacted a representative for Trump by email to comment on this story.

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[–] 520@kbin.social 263 points 1 year ago

Carroll found an IRL infinite money glitch

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 173 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's amazing. Do it.

I want her to drag him to court over and over. It will be, as Trump likes to say, "a beautiful thing, folks. A beautiful thing."

[–] homoludens@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago

So much winning!

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

People are saying, it's a beautiful thing.

[–] LocoOhNo@lemmus.org 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I applaud her for her bravery, I also worry because of what his lunatic supporters have been known to do to their perceived "enemy."

Remember, they think he's literally the second coming of Christ.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She literally doesnt care. The juice is worth the squeeze.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How have I never heard that phrase before? I love it

[–] vind@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just remember it from Girl Next Door lol

[–] vinylshrapnel@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago

I’m all wet. Can I come in?

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Timothy Oliphant was a great villain in that. That line has stuck with me more than anything else in that movie though

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The juice is worth the squeeze.

what a wonderful saying. personally i like "[it's just] sauce for the goose" (as a follow-up to/implying the phrase "his goose is cooked"), but what you said is seems to fit better here.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They thought the same about Hitler and an entire generation of Germans and Austrians lived the remainder of their lives in silent shame when it all fell apart.

[–] Wolf_359@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

One big difference I think.

Nazi Germany lost in outright combat against an enemy they had always said they could beat. They were decimated and many of their sycophants were killed in battle.

Unless Trump and his followers start an actual armed rebellion and get put down, I don't see how they end up ashamed.

Beating Trump in court, while it needs to be done, allows all of his followers to keep saying, "See? We told you the deep state was out to get him."

[–] LocoOhNo@lemmus.org 10 points 1 year ago

Unless Trump and his followers start an actual armed rebellion

Those people are out there. It's one of the main reasons I left Florida. A truck load of guys showed up outside my polling place in 2020 with AR's and they were asking everyone in line who they planned on voting for/if they were voting for Trump. The cops were called and they told the people who called that "as long as they weren't brandishing their weapons or threatening anyone" that nothing could be done. This was in the parking lot of a public library during voting; the cops chose to not do anything.

"Stand back and stand by" is all these people think about. They aren't making a move until Trump tells them to, but there's a non-zero chance that they start getting violent, similar to "the troubles" in Ireland in the 90's.

And our legal system fails us every single day Trump is a free man getting to flap his gums. We all know what we watched happen. We heard what he said, we saw what the aftermath was... If it was you or I, we'd be in solitary confinement yesterday.

There's a long damn time until November and I'm fearful, but there's not much I can do to change anything.

I work with a dipshit that keeps giving everyone shit for spending their money on anything besides ammo and guns. BECAUSE OF THE UPCOMING WAR!!!!! This guy is a fucking lunatic and dead serious. He would have been at Jan 6th but the boss didn't approve his vacation time. Keeping my mouth shut and not provoking this prick is close to the hardest thing I've ever done. Fuck these clowns.

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If maga-country is paying for it, might as well get that money again and again.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, most of us are also trying to grift MAGA folks.

We can't let Trump have it all.

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[–] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So he's actually on her side grifting his own people for her gain.

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It was 5D chess all along.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 1 year ago

Going for the hat trick? I like your style.

[–] londos@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's like she found a faulty slot machine that won't stop putting out.

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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At what point is trump just doing what he wants and not paying? Can he go to debtors prison or something?

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

New York will seize & start auctioning off his properties. He can't even appeal without putting the damages fine in escrow.

I read yesterday that Trump only has ~$550M in liquid assets & $50M of that he can't touch without it automatically recalling a loan that he currently cannot pay.

I'd like to point out the last part is no one's problem but Trump's & whatever bank gave him that loan.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not even Trump's problem, I'm afraid. As J. Paul Getty famously said-

If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.

That's true for $50 million as well.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

thing is: he doesn't owe it to a bank-- he owes it via judgements to Carroll and to the People of the State of New York, and, on their behalf, the State of New York will start seizing Trump's assets and auctioning them off to cover the judgements.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Depends on how the loan is secured. If he put up some of his property as collateral then the bank can just seize it and it's not their problem then.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty dumb quote.

The bank has an army of lawyers who sure as shit gonna make it your problem.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It hasn't been a problem for Trump before. He's defaulted on many loans.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

He can't pay lawyers without selling real estate.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... and I'm sure that was a significant problem for him each time.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been told by others that New York can start seizing his assets if he doesn't pay up. And PAC money is not infinite.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I was curious about the legal options here so did a little research. My first thought was can Trump use his go to move in this case and just declare Bankruptcy. IANAL but via the magic of google it seems like the answer is kind of. Civil judgements can be discharged via bankruptcy, but there's a few gotchas in there as well. To start with while the damages can be discharged, any fines or court fees can't. Furthermore if malice can be shown then damages can also be reclassified as non-dischargeable.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't understand. Your other comment says he defaults on loans all the time and it's the bank's problem rather than his. Now you're saying New York will seize assets if he doesn't pay ?

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its like a gift that keeps on giving!

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Except he never pays

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Don't forget to bring an extra set of forms to file on the way out, when he does it again in this next trial!

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

As long as there’s evidence and damages cover the attorney fees she can keep this going.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

President Loser continuing his losing streak.

[–] strawberry@kbin.run 8 points 1 year ago

lol sure that bitch into the ground

[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bitch-Tits needs to shut. His. Mouth.

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm cool with .73 cents out of each dollar he gets donated going to others, I'd like him to talk more so he goes bankrupt before the July estimate 👍

[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That works for me, too. If it MUST talk, drain it of resources and money until it withers up and blows away.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago
[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The Trifecta!

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


An attorney representing E. Jean Carroll has indicated the journalist could sue Donald Trump for a third time, as the former president continues to speak about her client publicly.

Speaking on MSNBC's Inside With Jen Psaki on Monday night, Shawn Crowley, an attorney for Carroll, responded to the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination telling supporters at a Michigan rally on Saturday that he had not done anything wrong to Carroll, whom he claimed he did not know, and that lawsuits against him were "unfair."

In January, a New York City jury ordered that the former president must pay $83.3 million in damages to the former Elle columnist, for statements made in 2019.

Trump was previously ordered to pay Carroll $5 million in damages in May in another civil defamation trial stemming from a denial he made about her claims in 2022.

"We had really hoped that, as the jury found, that $83 million dollars would maybe be enough to convince him to keep E. Jean Carroll's name out of his mouth, apparently he showed us this weekend that he really cannot control himself and that maybe it wasn't but we will see what happens as this continues to play out."

However, attorney Bradley Moss wrote that Trump was "close, but he didn't cross the line" in his remarks.


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