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Fucking neoliberal capitalist brain worms.

Also, stop calling it post-scarcity we are already post-scarcity in the 21st century. Star Trek's future is post-capitalism, not post-scarcity. You can't have post-scarcity without eliminating capitalism because capitalism just creates artificial scarcity. You can't have a society like The Federation without some form of communism.

And don't get me started on the Ferengi. The Star Trek Wiki says:

However, the Ferengi managed to avoid many of the worst aspects of an evolving culture and their social history was notable for the absence of atrocities such as slavery or genocide, a distinction the Ferengi felt made them morally superior (though their definition of "slavery" clearly did not extend to their treatment of women). Ferengi culture slowly grew out of its early stages by introducing a remarkable economic system that developed from early bartering systems to become one of the leading cultures in interstellar commerce.

This is impossible. You cannot have a hyper-capitalistic society without slavery, imperialism and genocide. That's like having a Nazi society without wars of conquest. It's built into how capitalism functions.

The Ferengi would never be accepted by the Federation or Starfleet without giving up capitalism. Most Farengi would live exploited under the threat of poverty like most people in current day capitalist Earth do. Starfleet in Nutrek also seems to have no problem doing capitalism with alien societies that still use money, which kind of flies in the face of their ethics, as to a "post-money" society partaking in capitalism would most likely be considered unethical akin to partaking in slavery. "It's their culture." can only take you so far.

"Oh but they're just a fun silly greedy jerks!" yeah ok sure. Tee hee they're funny little guys that exploit and starve their poor and don't treat their sick. So goofy and wacky.

And as much as I love Lower Decks, it still suffers from that same liberalism, and seems to mandate that every episode needs at least one action scene.

Giving too much control to rich producers is a mistake.

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[–] someone@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

For all of Gene Roddenberry's weird-ass ideas, one thing he got 100% right was forbidding salutes by Starfleet officers.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I had never noticed the absence, probably because I think saluting is dumb. It was a good decision for sure.

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

No! Bad! spray-bottle No salutes!

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, wherever Liquidator Brunt showed up, he did threaten to kill Quark and harvest his organs to pay back his debts

So they might have avoided a wider open cruelty in favor of a more casual cruelty where people don't think twice about their broke neighbors getting killed to pay their debts

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally, I'd like to think that Rom becoming Grand Nagus would lead to rommunism

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you consider Lower Decks canon you are not going to like a certain season 4 episode...

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

probably nothing after one of the voyager time-travel episodes is canon

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but that's built into the concept

[–] operacion_ogro@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

I just keep rewatching DS9 instead of getting into nutrek

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

I’m a big fan of Strange New Worlds and will defend it as the best Trek since DS9… and even for me, the episode they did in season 2 that was basically Black Hawk Down is maybe my least favorite trek episode ever. Even worse than Sub Rosa. Doing literally what you said, making starfleet a military force.

[–] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Star Trek is neoliberal? astronaut-2 astronaut-1

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is impossible. You cannot have a hyper-capitalistic society without slavery, imperialism and genocide. That's like having a Nazi society without wars of conquest. It's built into how capitalism functions.

they skipped chattel slavery. the ferengi word for "wage-slave" is probably "employee".

you can have nazis without wars of conquest too, there was a stargate timetravel episode where some very patient aliens put stuff in the food to make humans sterile, which is genocide because it's deliberate but there was no war.

The Ferengi would never be accepted by the Federation or Starfleet without giving up capitalism.

ferenginar doesn't join the federation, and we never see the consequences of the marxist-o'brienist-romist reforms implied in the DS9 finale. The federation conducting external trade seems fine in general?

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they skipped chattel slaver

The very first time the Ferengi show up in TNG, they've got stun whips as a weapon

Not exactly the kind of weapon you design without a history of some form of chattel slavery

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

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