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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Define enlightened. I think people might be more informed in certain cases, but not more enlightened.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not the definition but an historical definition.

A philosophical movement of the 1700s that emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted doctrines and traditions and that brought about many humanitarian reforms.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then the answer is absolutely not.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I disagree. We’ve had many political revolutions overthrowing leaders, religion has been on a heavy decline, and most people accept that science or basic logic is the most important element in an argument, not authority.

We just see so many people NOT doing that, and we hate it. We live in a world where the person doing the stupidest thing that day makes the front page, and we’re enlightened enough to critique it.

Stupid people will always exist. The idea that we hear about them more now and we hate them for it actually proves we’ve become more enlightened.

[–] z00s@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Counterpoint: Trump was president.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Of America, not of the world. Believe it or not, there are so many other people in the world outside of America.

Also, look at the presidents of the past. America has had many pro-slavery Presidents. Trump was awful, but he wasn’t even the worst President. The fact that so many people felt he was awful also shows that America has progressed.

But back to my first point, you’re looking at a country of 350m out of 8 billion people in the world. The world has moved on from so many of the things that the US continues to struggle with. As a people, we’ve advanced much further than we’ve been in the past.

Edit: wrote a β€œk” not an β€œm” for America’s population.

The fact that you don't think Trump was the worst president makes me doubt your knowledge of US history.

[–] z00s@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Other people were worse" has never been a good argument, much leas for presidents.

350k?

The far right is on the rise all across the world, not just the US.

He was voted in by the people, ergo, the majority is not enlightened.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] z00s@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Pretty salty there, Captain America lol

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] z00s@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

What about the oak vote?

[–] Blackout@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know I am. I wasn't even born 100 years ago.

[–] Frigid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

See, I didn't even know that about you. I'm more enlightened than I was 10 seconds ago!

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Looking at widespread corruption and material worship, I'd say they are about the same.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

things are way better for women and minorities than they ever were.... which is saying something as things are still comparatively bad

I feel like answering this would give different answers for pretty much every category you could define.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

3 comedy points.

[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

In general, probably.

Locally, depends on the locality

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

People have access to more information, but less access to tough life lessons, and therefore less experience (ranging from survival skills, to applied political science, etc.).

Is being "enlightened" mean you have more (possibly fake) information, or does it mean having more life experience? You decide...

[–] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

define enlightened using your own words not via a google search

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Me, I'm specifically referring to the enlightenment. Now I would say that some of their ideas haven't aged well but that is kind of a hat on a hat. The following summarizes it better then my dopey ass ever could:

Use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted doctrines and traditions and to bring about humanitarian reforms

[–] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

in regards to that definition then: yeah, I'd say people are, on the whole, more enlightened than they were a century ago. the scientific method is more thoroughly accepted/baked in at a societal level, and the mass adoption of digital communication facilitates a greater sense of community.... though the resulting communities are often at odds with each other.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I doubt it.

The fact we all interact with cyberspace, using more high level functions to navigate rather than interacting with the physical world, means we are less integrated and present than before.