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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 189 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Love it. People look at me like I'm crazy for trying to go greener, and I see this stuff online all the time.

"Haha EVs are so dangerous! Look at the fire hazard" like you aren't literally parking a tank of explosive gas in your house every night

"It doesn't have nearly the range of gas" They say while driving a massive truck that needs filling every week, meanwhile my charger at home is needed once a week and costs 1/6th a tank of gas

"Solar doesn't even cover the entire electric bill" Sure, it only halves it...

So much simping for big oil companies. Always reminds me of this from the Simpsons

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 107 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is an informal fallacy, "letting perfect be the enemy of good." You have to feel out people who are doing this and try to determine what their angle is. Usually they have one, some kind of asinine hobby-horse or ulterior motive, and you need to figure out quickly if they're arguing in good faith or not.

Because usually they're not, and inevitably you'll find that as soon as you're done addressing one point they've moved the goalposts somewhere else.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 47 points 2 years ago (23 children)

I just heard this phrase, and I'm so happy because I've needed a word for it. People who do this annoy me so much. Like with EVs especially. "Well we should be using mass transit_." Yes, we should, but that will take a very long time. Let's take a good solution now, which is better than the bad solution that is currently being used, and we will continue to build and push for the perfect solution at the same time.

Strive for perfect, but accept a good solution in the meantime.

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 11 points 2 years ago

Even with good public transit I'd have to sell my house and move to get a job and travel with public transit. I feel like that's a bit excessive if I had to get another one and move more. My commutes 250 miles a week and I was using a tank of gas a week. Went electric and I use 20-30kW to charge per day. 16k miles in on my first year. Hopefully one day I'll get solar installed and reduce even more too.

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[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Tangently related- im a big fan of the easiest 10%. Effectively, the easiest 10% of change does just as much as the hardest 10%.

Want to use the dryer less? Big stuff on line, little stuff in the dryer. That kind of thing.

Chucking a solar panel on your roof gets you 10% of the way there in a weekend then forget about it for 5 years.

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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

a tank of explosive gas

And we purposely use it to fuel small controlled explosions to make it go.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

“Haha EVs are so dangerous! Look at the fire hazard” like you aren’t literally parking a tank of explosive gas in your house every night

Just to be pedantic, the real issue there is that EVs are potentially more explosive, and once they've caught fire, pouring water on the makes them explode a second time.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do gasoline fires go out with a douse of water?

[–] jerrythegenius@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Nah I think it makes them worse

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 2 years ago

Sure, and that's one I hear, but it's blown out of proportion by them. Really whenever you store that level of potential energy in any form it's going to be dangerous.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Pouring water on lithium-ion battery fires is not only safe it's the primary means of fighting them. It does not make them explode a second time, what it does do is cool down the battery.

Lithium battery fires though, there you'll want a class D extinguisher. Those batteries aren't in EVs though.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So don't use water? I mean, don't use water in basically any situation regarding a fire anyway, it's a last resort, but if you don't have a fire extinguisher in your home you're asking for trouble eventually.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mmmm...tripe...

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 points 2 years ago

Looks like Lisa's never heard of the food chain

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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Guy's hat keeps changing

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

You mean yours doesn't?

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Triforce, Pokeball, [too small to make out], Super Mushroom, sun? The others are clear Nintendo references, so I'm scratching my head at the sun at the end.

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

It's the power of woke

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

He could go twice as far if his ~~car~~ truck wasn't oversized.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hey, a normal sized truck ain't gonna splat many zombies after the apocalypse.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish solar made sense where I live, but it's not just "cloudy right now", it's extremely overcast for 9-12 months out of the year. It'll still generate power, but not really enough to offset the cost of the installation. Hopefully solar keeps getting cheaper, more efficient, or both.

[–] LemmyExpert@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It will! And if you've got wind...wind turbines weren't very good & experienced breakdowns, but we're on the verge of a few breakthroughs. Making wind turbines cheaper, more efficient, and less moving parts to break.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Dude, it gets extremely windy where we live. Do private wind turbines exist? That would be perfect!

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

Yes, but the tall ones are hard to get approval for in most residential areas. Smaller spiral/helix looking turbines can be easier to install if you can find a good spot to place it.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's some up and coming ideas. The problem with traditional designs is that for them to be efficient and effective, they have to be big. Backyard turbines with less than 10 acres to work with won't cut it. They might supplement things a bit, but they're expensive for little gain.

Looking to the future, that might change. This video goes over some of the options at various levels of development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQKHJm7vd4E

I would add that when it comes to these sorts of things that have yet to see mass adoption, you should be skeptical of any individual thing. However, if there are ten different things, probably at least one of them is going to work out. In fact, that's my general feeling about Matt Ferrell's videos. Good for getting an overview of what might work in the future, but don't be too quick to jump on any one thing.

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[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jokes on you, I’ve been burying my gasoline…

no, this is actually a joke, feds. Burying gasoline would be irresponsible and dangerous.

~What you want to do is bury diesel..~

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Wouldn't it go bad after, like, a year?

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

probably. don’t take advice on storing fuel from a dipshit.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago

Don't tell me what to do dipshit

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[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago

My brother bought some land cheap and started with his infrastructure before the house (he'd previously bought a school bus and converted it). He started with solar, batteries, and a generator for the well etc, but he's finally expanded to the point where the batteries can last him through all the dark, and the generator is hardly used a d just there as an emergency backup.

He works in IT remotely so it's not like he isn't using electricity and internet all day. He does have more room to put the panels though.

[–] LemmyExpert@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am interested in prepping, and if anyone else is, too - - I look at solar/wind renewable energy & I'm concerned about high draw, high demand devices & processes. Well I started to notice that even super green setups tend to have a small generator on-hand for large/rare draws, failures, and emergencies.

And small generators have become a lot smarter & more capable! Bonus.

You probably aren't running tons of major appliances all at once all the time. Buy the generator, have that backup plan...and go into the green energy world with confidence.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I mean even those generators are only bought out of a lack of understanding. Really easy to get 6kW home inverters, and they are stackable. Some systems will stack up to 16 units. Thats 96kW, or said another way 400 amps of 240V.

A setup of dual 6k isn't even that expensive anymore and 12kW is enough for most people to just use appliances like normal without worry. Grab a couple of the low hanging fruit efficiency changes like heat pump for both your dryer and hot water heater and your golden.

The only other mistake people make is they size how many panels they need based off the potential maximum rather than the potential minimum. You should oversize your array for summer so that it is appropriately sized for cloudy/winter :)

[–] THE_MASTERMIND@feddit.ch 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want a prepper's community on lemmy

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't really understand preppers. Why would you want to survive after society collapses? That sounds awful.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The chance to create a new society in our own image. With government subsidised cocaine and hookers.

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You'd rather die?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Than have to scrape by in a post-apocalyptic hellscape? Absolutely.

I don't have a Mad Max fantasy.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Not very shiny and chrome of you.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Oh, what a movie. What a lovely movie!

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Back in my day, we didn't feed the trolls, and they starved to death

[–] Malicewagon@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

The Devil's Panties!! A blast from my past right there.

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