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Far-right Israeli government minister Ben-Gvir believes that Israeli soldiers must shoot Palestinian women and children in Gaza to stop 'another October 7'.


Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir demanded the army shoot Palestinian women and children in Gaza during a cabinet meeting, according to the Israeli media on Monday.

“We cannot have women and children getting close to the border... anyone who gets near must get a bullet [in the head],” Ben-Gvir said during a debate with Israeli military chief Herzi Halevi on the army’s “open-fire” rules at the cabinet meeting on Sunday.

Ben-Gvir, who heads the extreme right Jewish Power party, told Halevi that Israel’s rules of engagement in Gaza were too lenient and ought to be broadened out to encompass civilians.

“You know how our enemies operate... they will try us,” Ben-Gvir said according to The Jerusalem Post.

“They will send women and children as undercover terrorists. If we continue like this, we will reach another October 7.”

Halevi did not argue with Ben-Gvir over the ethics of shooting Palestinian women and children, but rather claimed that it might lead to more “friendly fire” incidents.

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[–] ira@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago

If it weren't for the embedded racism in our society, we'd treat Israel-Palestine the same way the West has treated every other ethnic conflict. But, many Jews are white, so...

(I'm still unclear on what the instance rules around this are, by the way)

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

What caliber of sanction are we talking here

[–] Kben@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago

And America just gave them 14 billion to continue with this slaughter.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Morally reprehensible. I don’t care who you are or what happened to you, if you unapologetically and purposefully retaliate against the most innocent and vulnerable, then you are the bad guy.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Stand for those who can’t stand up for themselves. Speak out before there’s no one left to speak. Never forget. Pick whichever goddamn platitude you want, but mean it.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine any other country said this.

[–] livus@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay so if this is true then it's a clear incitement to war crimes.

Israel continuing to let these kinds of speech happen is a part of what makes this a genocide.

Genocidaires are sometimes brought to trial many years after they think they have gotten away with it.

I honestly think there is so much evidence now that if the US ever loosens its stranglehold on the world this will happen with the Israeli genocidaires.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

War crimes as a designation only mean something if you catch the criminals, which generally means a complete collapse of their sovereign state. In the case of a nuclear weapon possessing nation, that's not gonna end well. Most western governments are still very much willing to do business with Israel because they represent a friendly foothold in the Middle East. Everyone, literally everyone, is well aware they are committing genocide.

The Nazis were able to be tried for war crimes because the world utterly destroyed Nazi Germany. Milosovic was able to be tried for war crimes because Yugoslavia was a failed state and he lost the war. Again, no nukes.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@dangblingus I agree with most of what you have said. Exceptions are things like Comrade Duch who was eventually prosecuted despite the history there.

But I'm pointing out that the world has an especially long memory when it comes to genocides. There are always survivors and their sympathisers who will prosecute if they get the chance. And in this case there is plenty of evidence.

Personally I don't think the current orthodoxy will hold for another 50 years - perhaps not even 30. US hegemony is slipping and becoming more reliant on hard power. As for Israel, it's an arms dealer and a tech exporter. But I've noticed companies in my part of the world have no trouble doing business with countries like UAE and Saudi Arabia.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the extreme right Jewish Power party

Not even trying to be subtle with the ethnonationalism

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Israelis literally use leftist as a pejorative

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 27 points 1 year ago

Look at them fighting the good fight against sexism and ageism.

/s

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

How much more proof do you need to learn that Israel have become Nazis?

[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

So they get the go-ahead to explicitly do what they've already been doing for months/years?

[–] dan42O 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why can’t this hold up in ICC/ICJ?

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Probably solely because of the case being initiated by South Africa has made "the situation complicated".

So "complicated" in fact that South Africa has even confronted the panel over their hesitancy to hold Shitrael accountable, to which they haven't even recieved any sort of response apart from silence.

I wish all members of the SAJBD a very Qassam rocket

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’ll see how the Feb 26 report goes. I can’t imagine how Israel will possibly argue that they’ve improved humanitarian aid access and protection for civilians.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

But they've not done any of that

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Death to Israel

isntrael

[–] qx128@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re not supposed to say the quiet part out loud.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 7 points 1 year ago

It's "the death of a euphemism". It's served its purpose and now the Overton window has moved.

[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

omg they call themselves Jewish Power. The agressive murderus people really can do whatever they want with no repercussions

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Oh we know they can. We've been watching them succeed for months now.

[–] OatChalice@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

“They will send women and children as undercover terrorists. If we continue like this, we will reach another October 7.”

He’s not exactly wrong — why won’t the West realize that terrorizing the terrorists doesn’t make them less radicalized? To justify one heinous act of violence with another is an investment in more of the same.

Obviously it’s a big messy situation that’s too complicated for simple blanket statements (and what do I know?), but it seems fair to say that history repeats itself unless we can reject this flawed zero-sum premise that my suffering can justify yours.

Do I condone Hamas? Absolutely not. Would I condone attacking Israel if they bombed my home and murdered my family? I bet I would…

It’s easy to espouse aggressively simplistic moral principles from the privilege of safety. Much harder and more important to root those principles in a foundation of empathy.