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  • Putin has relied on historical borders to argue that Ukraine is part of Russia, justifying the war.
  • Mongolia's former president shared a map of the Mongol Empire, which included parts of Russia.
  • "After Putin's talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don't worry. We are a peaceful and free nation," he wrote.

The former president of Mongolia mocked Russian President Vladimir Putin over the weekend and his focus on history to try to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

Putin has frequently used historical borders to justify his brutal invasion, arguing that Russia has a claim over Ukraine even though Ukraine is an independent country.

In his interview with Tucker Carlson last week, Putin outlined centuries of Russian and European history to justify his invasion. Historians say much of the history he gave doesn't stand up.

Tsakhia Elbegdorj, who was Mongolia's president between 2009 and 2017, and was also its prime minister, poked fun at Putin's argument on X.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 180 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Golden Hord will rise again

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Just go take it back, Russia is so wrapped up in the western front they wouldn't be able to mount any kind of defense until it was far too late to hold Siberia.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Too bad democracy won't invade like Putin does because peace is the right thing to do.

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Wait for …. The Mongols!

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Mongolia is able to muster anything like the force they had when they invaded, it will hardly matter what Russia can mount

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Then again, Genghis Khan didn't have guns or tanks or planes.

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If Russia keeps it up, they might not have those either.

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[–] rebul@kbin.social 70 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The UK has decided that they have historical claims to the US, so they will begin their invasion soon.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You bringing socialized health care?

I've left the back door unlocked.

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, still beats dying of preventable disease because of fear of the bill afterward. At least this way I can die of a preventable disease due to patient backlog.

[–] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Why not both! I spent almost 8 months mostly bedridden last year waiting for a magical American doctor to fix me. Even got kidney disease from all the pain killers/anti-inflammatory meds I had to be on to somewhat function. Now I'm in my 30's with the blood pressure of someone in their 70's. Best Healthcare system in the world!

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dad says we have patient backlogs at home

Patient backlogs at home: Undischargeable debt while now a skeleton.

[–] VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

NHS is better than $20000 band aids.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The map they used in the linked article as the largest empire to ever exist was actually of the later British Empire, which doesn't include what is the present-day US (though it was larger than the British Empire at the time that it included some of the present-day US).

It'd be interesting to create composite maps of empires that included all the territory that they ever controlled, rather than the peak that they controlled at any one time. I think you'd need to do some work in R, and that the Brits would probably still come out on top.

As I have pointed out before, Russia also historically controlled part of what is now the US:

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-vyacheslav-volodin-warns-us-russia-reclaim-alaska-1722342

Oleg Matveychev, a member of the Duma, told Russian state television earlier this year that Russia should seek the "return of all Russian properties, those of the Russian empire, the Soviet Union and current Russia, which has been seized in the United States, and so on."

When asked if that included Alaska, Matveychev responded that it did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_colonization_of_North_America

From 1732 to 1867, the Russian Empire laid claim to northern Pacific Coast territories in the Americas. Russian colonial possessions in the Americas are collectively known as Russian America ((Russian: Русская Америка, romanized: Russkaya Amerika); 1799 to 1867). It consisted mostly of present-day Alaska in the United States, but also included the outpost of Fort Ross in California, and three forts in Hawaii, including Russian Fort Elizabeth. Russian Creole settlements were concentrated in Alaska, including the capital, New Archangel (Novo-Arkhangelsk), which is now Sitka.

Fort Ross in California has been preserved as both an American and Californian historic landmark, and you can go visit it; Russian Orthodox services are held there a couple times a year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Ross,_California

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Helldivers 3: Redcoats Bugaloo

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[–] pwalshj@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be expected, given his ancestry

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We've all got a little Genghis in us.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If not, it can be arranged.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Greece is getting ready to expand too, and solving the Israel / Palestine issues at the same time

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The Abbasids and the Umayyads put Alexander to shame.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also, Russia was founded by Vikings, so I hope Norway is ready to invade.

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[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey Portugal and Spain, according to the treaty of Tordesilhas together, Portugal and Spain had conquering rights for half the world. And the pope signed it..

And Romans... You had a great empire. So did the Mouros (Arabs) Etc..

[–] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey Portugal and Spain, according to the treaty of Tordesilhas together, Portugal and Spain had conquering rights for half the world.

They got most of the other half a bit later:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

The lands to the east would belong to Portugal and the lands to the west to Castile, modifying an earlier bull by Pope Alexander VI. The treaty was signed by Spain on 2 July 1494, and by Portugal on 5 September 1494. The other side of the world was divided a few decades later by the Treaty of Zaragoza, signed on 22 April 1529, which specified the antimeridian to the line of demarcation specified in the Treaty of Tordesillas. Portugal and Spain largely respected the treaties, while the indigenous peoples of the Americas did not acknowledge them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Zaragoza

Under the treaty, Portugal gained control of all lands and seas west of the line, including all of Asia and its neighbouring islands so far "discovered", leaving Spain with most of the Pacific Ocean.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve been waiting for this. So glad they actually did it.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't worry. We are a peaceful and free nation

...until someone messes with a Mongolian trade delegation.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

DAMN YOU MONGORIANS! ALWAYS BREAKING MY CITY WALL!

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[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Good joke, but it's bold on him to poke fun at one of the only two neighbors Mongolia has, while the other dreams of invading it.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I would like to see this map.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I have Privacy Badger so I didn't look at the Xitter post, here's a map I found from the Wikipedia page

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"parts of Russia" is really underselling it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would have been "all" if Ogedei hadn't caught a severe case of drinking himself to death.

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[–] kellyaster@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Lol that's some Mongolian beef?

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is your Lemmy texting about Mongolia?

LMAO = Let Mongols Annex Oblast

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

ROFLOL

(Russians Out For Land, Our Land!)

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