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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2207898

Did you ever hear the tragedy of WebP The Efficient? I thought not. It’s not a story the GIF gang would tell you. It’s an image legend.

WebP was a new format of pictures, so efficient and so lightweight, it could use modern compression to influence the web pages to actually load faster…

It had such a knowledge of the user's needs that it could even keep transparency and animations from dying.

The power of modern computing is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

It became so widespread… The only thing we had to be afraid of, was people insisting on using formats from the 90's, which eventually, of course, they did.

Unfortunately, we didn't teach the noobs everything we knew about compression, then the noobs killed the format by converting it to PNG and sharing that.

Ironic. We could save the web from being too slow, but not from the users.

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[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ofcourse I know him. He's me

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Kill him. Kill him now.

Seriously.... Please don't. Or at least don't ever share that shit back to the web. It gets even worse when people then rename the png to jpg and it's a whole fucking mess. I've been trying to figure out where the hell all those bloated hi-res pngs all over the web come from, until I stumbled upon this answer.

Just download an updated app that can read webp for crying out loud. Do people convert x265 to QuickTime too?

Besides, everywhere where I've encountered webp in the wild, the image url has something like ?format=webp at the end, so you can just delete that and get the original, if you really have to.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It was on by default for me, but I'm also not downloading pictures to repost so it's fine.

[–] Waker@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Karcinogen@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Waker@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Good damn it...

I've got jerboa, thunder, wefwef... And now liftoff.

It's like I'm going for the fucking infinity gauntlet

Thanks!

Edit: STOP FUELING MY ADDICTION :'(

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And that's just the FOSS options

[–] Waker@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Oof you're further down the rabbit hole I see :']

[–] original_ish_name@latte.isnot.coffee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What arctius, lemming,summit and voyager?

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[–] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Where can I get Slide for Lemmy? Obtainium cannot find it.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago
[–] SwiggitySwole@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Also try Sync for lemmy and Connect

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 points 2 years ago

Haha I have the same issue with mastodon and matrix apps

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Webp is just one more instace of Google trying to own the modern web.

Give me JPEG XL or give me death, motherfuckers.

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I prefer AVIF, it has significantly better browser support, and since AV1 is getting all the hardware support avif will benefit from this too.

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Google dropped jxl support this year. That's why it has better browser support ... Avif is slower to show than jxl in my experience.

Avif seems to be the future right now

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[–] antares87@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anakin Skywalker : I've just learned a terrible truth. I think this Chancellor Palpatine meme is a jpeg.

Mace Windu : [suprised] A jpeg?

Anakin Skywalker : Yes, the one we've been looking for.

Mace Windu : How do you know this?

Anakin Skywalker : I saved the file and it's a jpeg, not a webp.

Mace Windu : Are you sure?

Anakin Skywalker : Absolutely.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If What You Told Me Is True You Will Have Gained My Trust

[–] Ineocla@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I'm still mad over the JPEG xl drama

[–] ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hold up: what drama? I thought everyone was just dragging their feet on implementing compatibility for it

[–] exu@feditown.com 10 points 2 years ago

Since Chrome decided to cancel it a bunch of other software has implemented it

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

JPEG XL, the one true king.

[–] victron@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Compatibility be damned.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Jpeg is not what makes the Web slow. The dozens of requests to Google and all the add services and then the add videos.

When an addblocker makes the page loads so much faster, webp is definitely not what will save Internet.

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[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

If you look into it a bit more, the resistance around WebP is mainly because it has some crippling weaknesses. I did some visual quality testing ( here, here & here ) & I (as well as many others independently) have found that for photographic images, WebP & JPEG are equals, & Google's messaging that lossy WebP meaningfully improves upon JPEG for general visual quality per bit is misleading. That being said, WebP has some important strengths that are not often acknowledged. In addition to transparency & (really good) animation support, it also has:

  • a lossless mode that often outperforms PNG
  • great nonphotographic compression (though AVIF outperforms it here)
  • decent compression of photographic sources at lower fidelity, where it actually starts to beat JPEG by a good amount
  • Totally royalty free

WebP's main weaknesses are:

  • not better than JPEG for photographic images at useful fidelity
  • Confusing messaging from Google, may have led to slow adoption
  • Based on a video codec, so no progressive decode (even JPEG has this)
  • limited to 8 BPC (lossy & lossless)
  • superseded by JPEG-XL & AVIF, which are both pretty much better at everything

JPEG-XL in particular is very promising. It faces hostility from Google but has an incredible breadth of features & strong compression performance, as well as Apple ecosystem-wide adoption on the way with the upcoming versions of macOS, iOS, ipadOS, etc. It is also royalty free. AVIF is better than WebP at everything except lossless, too.

Feeling any which way about WebP, it is still a shame to see it transcoded to PNG. All that wasted potential ...

[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've never heard anyone complain about webp before. What's the problem?

[–] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Cant seem to open it with shit after I save it

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Well if you're trying to open pictures with shit...

[–] ReCursing@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

That sounds like a you problem

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[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Waited ages for webp to have great browser support and it finally does. Plenty of image compression services let you choose a webp output which is a great space saver :)

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

I just hate that Meta Messenger (where I communicate most with my friends) doesn't let me share webp images. Also it labels them as gif.

[–] DieterParker@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's still a godsend for large comic book archives. Thx comicrack for supporting this wicked new format since August 2013!

edit: there's also a relatively new plugin for avif and jpegxl support.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Webp... For web pictures. Then why are there webp files on my non web harddrives? Give me PNG, SVG, JPEG and GIFs. Not this ugly Google shit. I never liked it in the first place. And take your shitty webm with you.

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They are smaller and higher quality, why use archaeic formats?

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[–] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Webp... For web pictures. Then why are there webp files on my non web harddrives? Give me PNG

You know what the N in PNG stands for?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Yes, my harddrives are in my network.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

What about the bot attack on the bitmaps?

[–] beta_tester@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ios can't play webm. can it show webp?

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

People say it does.

[–] ChrislyBear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm against using a Google OS (Android, Chrome OS), to browse on a Google regulated web (Manifest V3), based on a Google protocol (Protobuf) loading pages via Google proxies (Google AMP) filled with Google Ads displayed using a Google format (webp, webm), while everything is recorded and fingerprinted to update my Google Ad Profile.

No, thank you very much!

More open formats, more open Internet! Down with Google!

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