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https://fortune.com/2024/02/09/gen-z-grad-two-degrees-breaks-down-tears-minimum-wage-employers-resume-in-person/

“I was so upset and disappointed in myself because growing up, I was told that if I get an education, if I go to college, then I’ll be successful,” Santos told Business Insider—and she’s not the first Gen Zer to complain about feeling tricked into pursuing further education.

Just last month, 27-year-old Robbie Scott similarly went viral on TikTok for insisting that Gen Z isn’t any less willing to work than generations before. Instead, he said, they are “getting angry and entitled and whiny” about the prospect of having to work hard for the rest of their adult life, only to “get nothing in return.”

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 114 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In no way could the country's young people having plenty of spare time but no ability to pay for the necessities of life possibly be a recipe for a disaster

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 77 points 2 years ago

'Recipe for a disaster' or 'possibility for an opportunity'?

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

massively multiplayer real time zero-ping minecraft

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago
  1. Raise people in a deeply hierarchical class system, seeping with racism and hatred for the poor.
  2. Promise them that they will get a ticket to the good life, unlike those lazy [insert slur], if they just work hard and get a degree.
  3. Fuck them over when they get the degree. Give them nothing.
  4. I guess only good stuff happens here. A bunch of desperate people who feel cheated out of the privileges they feel entitled to has never resulted in anything bad.
[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 106 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Anytime I hear "The economy is doing great" I parse it as "The king is so wealthy. The Lord of treasury boasts of his boundless coffers, he is rich, so I am too."

[–] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago

Same feeling in company meetings when they tell us how much money they are making

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

but GDP up??? what you mean standard of living low??

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 90 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of the highest paid people I know got her first job out of school at her parents' company. Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

The highest paid guy I know is the son of a slumlord. Funny coincidence.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 90 points 2 years ago (2 children)

she’s not the first Gen Zer to complain about feeling tricked into pursuing further education.

A growing trend in business news journals is to tell people that pursuing college degrees is some kind of trap. It is downright sinister how the response to the student debt crisis has simply been to lie to young people about their future job prospects without a college degree.

If a Fortune Magazine reporter comes at you with a microphone, remember that you are acting in self-defense when you draw and fire.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, I remember being in high school, unsure of what I wanted to go to college for and being told

it doesn't matter, as long as you get a degree in something

Which, let me tell you, does not help at all

I've gotten all of my jobs because I knew someone

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The trick is to study abroad and never come back. Fuck this hellhole, that's what I should have done.

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or get a degree to do a soulless email job like I did desolate

But I still only got my current job because I knew someone

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only reason I was able to escape grocery is because my brother put in a good word for me at the job he was already a manager at, and for that same reason I might be moving to a different department so I don't explode from stress

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly? I've been looking at master's programs to do exactly that. Even kkkanada is leagues better than anarcho-fourthreich.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I've gotten all of my jobs because I knew someone

I've landed a jobs because of a recruiter and a couple others from applying online. Good corporate jobs, too. But it's an enormous slog compared to having someone already in the firm who will vouch.

That said, college is a big exception to the rule precisely because of how much effort businesses make to hire directly from senior classes.

The degree matters, but surprisingly less than GPA. If you've got a 3.2 or better at a state school or big city college, it's a ticket to practically any employer in the country.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 84 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

first-time I just applied to a nursing home dietary aid the other day and never got even a fuck you back, college degree too lmao

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yea i think i get ignored by half the jobs i apply for, and the other half is an automated decline message. i think i get 1 callback for like... 100-200 applications. kinda hard to keep going.

and i have a degree + 2 years of experience in the industry :3

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I want to leave my current job and I have 12 years of experience, applying to jobs that need anywhere from 3 to 10 years, applied to just over 100 so far, and I've had one interview for a posting requiring 5 years. No others. In that interview the guy said wow that experience is exactly what we need, about 3 times, then they emailed me the next day saying nah no thanks

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

never got even a fuck you back

If you want, I can give you a fuck you. I know it's not much, but every little bit helps

[–] SocialistWombat@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

That's the kind of solidarity that I come to Hexbear to see solidarity

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When I was job hunting I probably sent out 100+ applications

I heard back from around 10 companies, around 5 rejections and 5 interviews

I got lucky enough that one of them got me a gig

And this was back in 2015 too, with me hot off the degree line and in the top 10% of my class

It's bad

ed. Remembered that one of the companies I interviewed with sent me a rejection letter after I'd been working at my current job for around 6 months

[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just last month, 27-year-old Robbie Scott similarly went viral on TikTok for insisting that Gen Z isn’t any less willing to work than generations before. Instead, he said, they are “getting angry and entitled and whiny” about the prospect of having to work hard for the rest of their adult life, only to “get nothing in return.”

I imagine having been told to spend so much money so they can get a job that pays it off has a lot to do with their anger. Cant say I'd blame them really.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Something about the picture of a crying young woman, the word choice of "humbled" and the publication this is in is giving me the distinct impression that this was written for bosses and Scott Adams/David Sedaris types to metaphorically jerk off to the humbling of those naive kids who think they're too good for poverty.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

i can imagine the comments section without checking. "she shouldn't have gotten a degree in gender studies and critical race theory then!" "my niece is exactly like this, she got an education and now she thinks the world OWES her a living."

[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We literally have those types in this thread.

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[–] AtomPunk@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bingo. Lot of Big Brains claiming people should just major in STEM, since the job market is always hot for them.

[–] Alisu@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And then the people with stem degrees are also not getting jobs

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It really gets my piss boiling when people use education as a substitution for class analysis. STEM vs. Humanities. College vs. trade school. It's as dumb and reactionary as the big city vs. the "Heartland" crap. In a functional complex society you need people who are good at all sorts of different things. Hate the bougies who are actually stealing from you, not those who went to a different school than you.

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How dare people call us lazy when we literally are NOT ALLOWED TO WORK?

I can't work if no one gives me permission to work, idiots. In a just world, these porks will be threatened prison time if they don't cough up the jobs.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

If she has degrees in communication & acting, that is to say (no judgement implied ofc) that she is a trained liar, and you really shouldn't believe anything she says.

This is in fact her jobs pitch, because she wants to work in the media, she did not in fact hand out resumes to minimum wage jobs and has no intention of working one, probably everything in the article is false these kind of 'experience/perspective' pieces usually are.

edit: perhaps 'storyteller' is a more polite way of saying it. But aside from that ("I'm a story teller & have always wanted to be one, in fact I studied how to tell storys and give performences, now let me tell you a true story about my experience - I even cry") the fact its reported in Business Insider, Fortune dot com, Daily Mail, should really tell you its wholesale fabrication.

Newspapers don't generally run pieces featuring anyone below the kind of 'minor gentry' class in a sympathetic light like this. They do run pieces (often fabricated) from people of their own class who are supposed to create a relatable crafted narrative for the lower orders.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

At this point I assume any viral video featured on a big news source is a setup. It's either someone trying to get in on a grift, or it's a pre-existing grift and some money got juiced into it somewhere. I never thought I'd miss the days of genuine cranks getting popular.

But you're right, this video felt the same as those headlines like "Millennial buys $1.2 million house with their own money by drinking water instead of avocado juice"

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[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

he said, they are “getting angry and entitled and whiny” about the prospect of having to work hard for the rest of their adult life, only to “get nothing in return.”

"You will own nothing... And you will be happy."

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

Chomsky is a liberal sellout but the last section of this paragraph from a 1996 speech of his has imprinted itself on my mind:

So for example, Brazil. There’s a terrific economic miracle under the neo-Nazi Generals that we installed with great self-adulation back in the 60s. And by 1971 it had become the Latin American darling of the business community. And the President, the General who ran the place, pointed out that the economy is doing fine, it’s just that the people aren’t.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (14 children)

She has degrees in communication and acting, if she just has that without a bunch of skills/experience to go with it, I'm not surprised that min wage jobs are ignoring her. Like it sounds kinda harsh but why would Starbucks care about your acting degree?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's more of a problem of how little availability there is for her to actually put the degrees to use, there's clearly a problem in the allocation of resources when educated professionals don't have the ability to actually put their skills into the market. Proletarization goes brrrr

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

tbh kinda her fault for not majoring in "being born owning massive companies"
better luck next life!

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

She should have went straight to Starbucks university and gotten her masters in Frappuccino Design

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Like it sounds kinda harsh but why would Starbucks care about your acting degree?

Because why the fuck wouldn't they? All you have to do is follow the training for like a week and then pour coffee

I'm her age and I was told growing up that it didn't always matter what your degree was, just that you had one. That the act of going to higher education was the important part, not the words on the paper. It's bullshit, of course, but 18 year old me wasn't immune to propaganda, and neither were most people

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Plus the environment is full of people with an incentive to lie to you or engage in wishful thinking to validate their career choices.

In undergrad my profs would regularly distribute all this literature about cool jobs you could get in history. I always planned to go for a PhD so I knew those other things weren't actually that realistic and teaching was your best shot but a lot of my classmates didn't know.

Of course after getting my MA abroad I realized that nobody in the states is gonna get paid to teach about obscure history when the Humanities are dying wholesale. No one told me that they're not hiring professors anymore except as adjuncts. I was lucky to get a full ride and not have debt but to actually have a career in history I would have had to live abroad forever.

No one in the dying field has any incentive to tell you the field is dying.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No one in the dying field has any incentive to tell you the field is dying.

Every time a promising student tells me they're thinking about pursuing a PhD in philosophy, I do everything in my power to convince them to change their mind. Unless you're simultaneously incredibly lucky and among the very best in your field, you almost certainly will get stuck in adjunct hell forever. Capitalism has almost completely hollowed out higher education.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago

It's actually the opposite.

They take one look at that degree and see you're overqualified, which means you might get uppity if the manager steals from your paycheck.

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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don’t worry, I’m sure Matt Walsh will take time out of his busy schedule of refusing to do household chores to admonish her for being lazy.

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