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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't flip the lever. For the bus to kill the person in position 1, it has to kill the person in position 0.5 first. But before 0.5, it must run over 0.25. And before that, 0.125. Actually, this can be extended ad infinitum. Therefore, motion is not real, and nobody would die.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Stalin saved the world from fascism, but Zeno saved an infinite number of people from getting hit by a trolley... who's based now, tankies?

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

the consequences of viewing infinity as a quantity and not as a process

(also cantor was using math to smuggle theology, change my mind)

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Move the second and third together, fourth, fifth and sixth together, and so on. I that way, the trolley is killing 1 + 2 + 3... killing a total of -1/12 people.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

yeah but then someone will have to take care of the -1/12 of a dead person... who's going to raise that orphaned child of abstract immaterial math?

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the real number track would gum up the wheels before the trolley got very far

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It also would collapse reality if the people have nonzero mass.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

But that would be happening regardless of your lever pulling or not. So I suppose everyone is trapped beyond the event horizon of an infinite black hole and your decisions do not really matter.

I guess I pull?

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

No one dies, because we can demonstrate that the track is infinitely empty by moving the person in the first position to the second position (and second to third and so on) before the trolley hits them. Then just repeat the process before the trolley reaches the second position (and so on).

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Multitrack drifting will derail the train, only killing a finite number of people

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

multitrack drifting except it's on both rails simultaneously and kills two infinities of people

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Point out the contradictions in the concept of infinity, smirk, then turn away (if I don't look back then neither option has fully materialized).

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Don't you dare collapse the wave function

[–] qaopjlll@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a compromise, I would simply construct a third track whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and the real numbers, and divert the train to that.

[–] christian@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

This solution feels extremely forced.

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The solution is obvious. For the top track, Number each person that would be killed, and add a device to the front of the trolley such for each enumerated person reached, it will save them if the corresponding Turing Machine in standard enumeration halts. This has become an instance of the halting problem and thus the trolley cannot run.

Similarly, the bottom rail is even easier. Add a device that will save the person that is represented by the real number whose value can be decoded as the set of turing machines that halt. Once again we have an instance of the halting problem and, once again, the trolley cannot run.

[–] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm afraid the trolley conductor is a beaver

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

No, beavers are too busy.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago
[–] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The bottom one so that -1/12 people come back to life.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Isn't that the sum of all the positive integers?

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

finitism, the moral position. no communist use has been found for eliminating uncountably many people. the utterings of the absurd

[–] ta00000@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Does the trolley run them all over instantly or does it take time to do so? If it doesn't run them over what happens to them? Do they stay tied to the tracks until they die from other causes? If so I'd probably pick the bottom one because death by trolley is probably better than death by dehydration over 2-3 days.

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

real infinity, not integer infinity

it would take an infinite amount of time to even get around to stating the first real number, so nobody would die

alternatively, the above doesn't work and instead everybody gets run over in a time span shorter than a nanosecond because there's an infinite number of real numbers within even the smallest time interval. This also means the trolley is moving at faster than the speed of light, so suffering is minimized, and laws of physics are violated (a twofer)

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Okay, the chef at my work thought sharks were a type of dinosaur and me and another guy just spent several hours trying to make him understand that while physically things are generally finite the concept of infinity is in fact real. He explained the science, I went more philosophical and explained the concept is real because we're discussing it. You know in Sci fi when they use a machine to go into someone's brain and it's conceptualized as a weird hallway or whatever? This is one I'm super intrigued to do that if possible and also deeply terrified.

[–] HeavenAndEarth@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Damn I wish I knew math

[–] Raebxeh@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago