Not being shot also helps
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Also not being run over by cars, and having the ability to walk/bike/take transit to get to places.
Netherlands doesn't represent the whole europe. This isn't the cycling/public transport utopia you think it is.
I'm well aware on account of living in non-Netherlands Europe.
It's a mixed bag for sure, but Europe as a whole does better on both the metrics I mentioned as compared to the U.S.
Exactly. Live in the U.S and just trying to look for a place that puts you in non-car distance to ANYTHING basically shows you one of two options:
- Quaint small vacation towns that are expensive because they're full of retirees. Won't find great jobs or necessities there...
- ...Or giant, overcrowded, crazy metros like Chicago, NYC, San Francisco. . .which are also absurdly expensive, dangerous, and downright filthy.
I feel like Europe at least gives you a way better chance of finding SOMEWHERE that works.
Yeah but most places in Europe don't have 16 lane highways. And there's quite a lot of old tracks that you can cycle along even if the main roads don't have separated bike and traffic.
In the US you have the, guaranteed to cause collisions, grid layout and that's basically it. If the Americans could get a hold of the idea of not driving into each other they could also have roundabouts.
While true compared to the USA almost every city in Europe is a bicycle dream.
Maybe biking is an exception, but for public transportation and walking, it is absolutely true that pretty much all of Europe is much better. It’s not even close.
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Universal healthcare might help but it is also--
- Auto accidents driven by car culture.
- Higher drug and alcohol abuse rates.
- Higher suicide rates driven by access to firearms.
- A culture of unhealthy eating that leads to obesity, heart disease, and increased risk of cancer.
Don't forget the wage slave mentality: forced long hours, extreme stress in a fast pace work environment, the non-existent vacation days, and at-will employment
Is alcohol abuse more prevalent in the US?
The US alcohol consumption avg. is 2.51 gallons, or 9.5 litres per person and year. In the EU the average is also 9.5 litres per person and year. For drug abuse i know the US have the specific opiod problem, but that also seems to be a result of a poor healthcare system, where taking painkillers until addiction is chosen over actually solving the underlying injuries for monetary reasons.
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Plus less stress due to a culture that values family and recreation time.
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Nope. It's been scientifically shown that eating vegetables, clean protein, and olive oil drastically reduces your risk of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and stroke. Things that Americans don't eat.
Checks pizza:
- Flour crust, vegetable
- Pepperoni, clean cooked protein
- Olive Oil, probably
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TIL I'm not American.
Welcome to Europe, comrade!
What Americans do you know? Everyone I know eats all of those things every single day.
Turns out there's more than just those 6 people in America.
The American diet is uniquely awful. Your social group is likely to include people in a similar socioeconomic position to you. If that means those people are eating lots of vegetables and clean fats then congratulations, you're doing pretty well.
That does not describe the diet of most Americans. It's rich in refined carbohydrates, "dirty" fats, processed meat, and very few vegetables, and the primary vegetable is the potato,, which is also essentially just another carbohydrate. It's better than deep fried flour, but not by much.
Pizza, all things considered, is fine, practically healthy, compared to the cheeseburger and fries that makes up the typical lunch for many Americans.
Most of the food we have easy, cheap access to is arguably addictive, high carbohydrate, low in nutrient, and generally just bad for you.
Which is why we have an obesity crisis and some of the worst rates of diabetes in the world.
Most of the food we have easy, cheap access to is arguably addictive, high carbohydrate, low in nutrient, and generally just bad for you.
This has been a complaint of mine, and my friends/family for a long time. You can't get healthy snacks, and if you can, they're expensive. I can get a payday candy bar, which is peanuts mixed with candy and a shit load of sugar and additives for - I guess they're about a dollar now. But if you want a small bag of peanuts without any of the other shit, it costs 3x more money. Seriously, what the fuck is that about? I can give a dozen other examples, but I'm sure you get it already.
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We're talking about the more than half of America that is fat and sometimes diabetic.
Those people are less healthy than people who eat no processed food
Ed. Updated to make it more clear I'm not claiming most Americans are diabetic
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Romans are stuffing their faces with cacio e pepe and guanciale asking "what's a vegetable?" Oh yeah, the appetizer.
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What are you talking about? I eat vegetables. I always have a baked potato and corn on-the-cob as sides with my steak. /s
Off work late? Hungry, but too tired to cook? Try 30 to 40 olives. 30 to 40 olives: an easy weeknight dinner. eat them directly out of the jar with your fingers. you will certainly not regret eating 30 to 40 olives.
...this is why I rarely keep olives at home.
Good point--they make a terrific snack in the office or on the go! 30 to 40 olives.... mmmmm
Olives? Just stab me, it'll be less painful.
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But it is healthy lifestyles that are leading to the increase life expectancy. Also healthy life's make universal health care cheaper.
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If eating olives makes you live longer, I'll just die young.
Yech.
But olive oil is amazing.
I hate whole olives, but a great olive oil with bread is one of the essential joys in this world.
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Not just universal health care but general lifestyle. But fast food, lack of amenities, and increasing reliance on cars will mean some Europeans turn into sedentary obese blobs and suffer the same health complications, if not expense, as their American counterparts.
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I would love to not have to pay $800usd +$200 monthly insurance just to get a questionable mole removed :')
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Yeah, no. They have 70 different systems and what you're talking about is the Mediterranean diet.
... which is also quite problematic:
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/20/17464906/mediterranean-diet-science-health-predimed
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It's all a massive conspiracy, just like how they said carrots are good for your eyes.
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It's not often discussed but as waiting lists can be long for free at point of use health care, most big companies offer private healthcare for employees that costs ~£50 per month.
I find that a very good deal.
Waiting lists are long over here in the US too, depending on the specialty and region. We're simply overpaying for the same quality healthcare while still failing to get 100% coverage.
This is incorrect.
We are overpaying for lower quality healthcare.
We have worse outcomes than countries with free healthcare.
As my father used to say "it may be bad, but it's expensive."
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Is this the UK? As (company) private schemes in the UK allow you to jump the queue, pushing people who cant or wont pay further back down the queue.
Its also significantly cheaper than the actual cost of a fully privatised solution because its subsidised by the NHS.
Majority of Doctors and Nurses who do private work spend the bulk of their working week for the NHS, and a large percentage of them were trained by the NHS.
Do I blame people who go private because they do not want to wait? No, but its also not a good argument for further privatisation as further expansion of this system reduces capacity of the NHS.
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That's extra funny cause in France governement regularly talk about wine like it's not any other alcohol and bad for health
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