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Sovereign citizen tried to pay for their car with sovcit methods (letter in the comments) (lemmy.world)
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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So how is this any different, in their minds, from stealing?

They take a loan out to buy a car. They clearly have 0 intention of paying that loan off by citing some sovereign citizen encantation.

How can they reconcile that in their heads?

"I deserve free things at the cost of others, because I'm clever"?

Scum, regardless of your libertarian philosophy.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

It started with alternative science, now we have alternative law.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've noticed that these companies are starting to call out the sovCit scam by name, so it seems they've had a gut-full as well...

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago

I know it's a play as old as time but I'm sure the shit EXPLODED in the internet age. I'd bet most companies have a form letter at this point.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Saying authorities have rejected their defence seems... counterproductive? Their whole argument is that they don't accept the court's authority.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago

Too bad what they accept doesn't matter.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This seems more like a polite "We see what you're trying to do and in court you may not realize you will not win" than a "pay us now" letter. I'd guess this is more so that the company can show the court they tried to be reasonable. Doesn't matter either way how the person responds, unless it's with a payment.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That letter is from Carvana.

[–] ajrwill@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This was satisfying to read, thanks for sharing!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

It's hilarious that companies have dedicated sovcit reply letters.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bet repo agents and bounty hunters love the sovcit movement.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

New theory: They started it. Vertical integration for the win!

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Now that's a fucking conspiracy theory!

[–] algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A car payment is cheaper than a lawyer...

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What lawyer is going to work with someone who thinks they can use "coupon" magic money to pay for contracted services rendered?

[–] algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Public defenders don't have a choice unfortunately

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fortunately, they don't need to rely on their client paying them.

Of course, a LOT of these sovcit cases are civil, and you generally only have that right to a free attorney in criminal court. Which is some stupid bullshit, but it is reality.

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I think even if this stupid sovcit bullshit did end up being the magic words that somehow worked, I wouldn't want to do it because of the sheer amount of paperwork involved.

[–] crypticthree@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

DJ Screw used to lean and see where that got him

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

RIP dog cause I really miss you

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bones, I've been enjoying these sovcit posts. Some of these (maybe all) are years old, are there no posts from these folks when reality comes crashing down?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

I just keep picking them out of my Facebook posts where I'm starting to annoy my friends with them lol, so it's kind of a snapshot of whatever I saw. But they're not very good about telling us their failures.