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By their "logic", don't you enter into the contract to utilize the parking spots on the government-funded roads as soon as you park your car there?
Stupid people congregating together on message boards trying to game the system. Like children making arguments to stay up past bedtime.
Their whole system is based on if you're not held accountable in the moment, you're free.
America's legal system moves real fucking slow. There's people in my city that just straight up haven't used license plates for years. Because cops won't pull someone over for no plates.
Eventually they'll get an accident they can't drive away from tho, then they're getting all types of charges because you can't insure an unregistered car too.
They think because there hasn't been consequences yet, that none will ever come.
That's what's going on with these tickets too. They think it works, they don't know they're just racking up chickens that are gonna show up to roost one day.
In the meantime they make these social media posts telling everyone it works, and more people do it, which bogs the system down even more.
Their whole system is based on if you’re not held accountable in the moment
Jan6, in other words?
Exactly.
There's still idiots who claim it was ok because they were "let in" when police retreated due to violence.
By their logic a mugging has never happened, the victim decided of their own free will that losing a wallet was better than being shanked by a meth head.
So 100% legal apparently
Never mind the contract of driving on the roads to get to the parking spots. Those roads weren’t built by god, someone has to fund them.
Now remember people, it has to be exactly 45°. They will check so make sure you get a protractor or a carpenter's square.
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The weird rules they come up with always make me laugh. Red ink at a 45 degree angle?
It's like some incantation from a fantasy story or something. How do go so far down a rabbit hole that you think you have wizard powers that you can use by simply writing things in a weird way?
Like do they imagine the clerk is there with a protractor and is like "damn, it's 45 degrees, nothing we can do about this one!" Or is it like the clerk will go into a trance and be compelled by their magic incantation to throw the ticket out?
The thing is sovcits get little bits of truth, exaggerate them, and string a bunch randomly together. For the 45 degree thing, one way to revoke a will in some U.S. states is to clearly write something like VOID on it. To avoid not being clear enough, best practice would be big red letters at an angle across the text. But also, there are easier and more normal ways to void it.
Point bring, I feel somebody saw something like that and took away that red text + angle = get out of jail free. Which, no, that's not how law works.
Source: am US lawyer.
Is it possible that such shenanigans do sometimes work like a confusion spell? Like a clerk sees that, is legally obligated to review this under the law but can't, would have to give this to some other department or something and then it gets shuffled away and never processed? Like an "appeal to bureaucracy" or something haha.
Have you seen the red thumbprint one yet? It's my favorite.
I can't stop thinking about the thumbprint!
I even made a comment wondering it's purpose hoping for an answer.
This seems to be the closest to an answer I can give you: https://www.vox.com/2016/2/9/10942860/sovereign-citizens-movement
Even one of the researchers interviewed who specializes in sovcits doesn't know why exactly the fingerprint, but I've seen it lots in the groups.
TILA-RESPA of 2015. Extends only to banking institutions in limited situations related to home loans. 12 USC ch. 27.
You cannot just read a single sentence from that act, the three day period, and just randomly apply it everywhere. And I have no idea where the 45⁰ thing comes from but sounds right up there with bay leaves and candles.
Obey the law. #NotLegalAdvice
Ok, but why is it important that it be written at a 45 degree angle? What if it’s at 46 or 44? Does it still work?
Anything outside of 5 arc seconds from 45° is considered a supplemental contract, which would require initial from the revisor and initial from the district attorney's office, magistrate, governor, or sheriff. This is all established under the contract law established under the 437th revision to the code of Hammurabi under the Governor's office of Antigua, codified by Sir Thomas Warner.
Learn the law sheeple!
The kindergarten handwriting in fat marker really chefs kisses this to the next level
The ticket is an offer for you to defend yourself in court. Declining that offer is equivalent to pleading guilty in most places.
Don't waste your breath, trying to correct a SovCit is like punching holes in a lake.
WTF does "cause without dishonor or recourse to me" mean? It sounds like the words are all out of order lol
It's "hereby refused for cause,
Without dishonor or recourse to me."
As in, without it being a blemish on their reputation or action made against them.
As stupid as their argument and attempt are, that phrase made sense to me.
So in other words "I'm allowed to break the law with impunity and you can't ever say anything bad about me because I'm special"?
It's basically being told you owe money and in response saying, "Yeah no thanks on that debt. I refuse to accept it. But don't think less of me or let it affect anything else you're still doing for me or that I feel entitled to!"
And if that sounds completely ridiculous it's because it is.
LPT: Mutter "without dishonor or recourse to me" intermittently all day so nothing bad happens to you ever.
I love how they just make up laws and then believe that it's real. Contact law exists... but this is nothing to do with contact law. This is more closely related to belief in the tooth fairy than it is to any actual legal facts.
And the 45 degree writing is just the icing on the idiocy cake.
I swear to god, if I was more conspiracy minded I'd say this kind of awful advice was some kind of effort by private prison contractors to increase the incarcerated population.
Ever notice how everything is certified mail. It's all a scam by Big Postal to drive up certified mail income. Wake up sheeple!
This is more closely related to belief in the tooth fairy
I mean ... at least belief in the tooth fairy used to work for all of us. Sovcit shit has never worked, for anybody ever.
I just wonder why they are spreading this misinformation.
Did they try it and for some reason it worked that one time?
Or are they actively malicious trying to get as many Sovcits arrested for the laugh?
They honestly believe this stuff and are very puzzled when it doesn't work .
Im sure there's some trolls out there pushing it just to watch people get arrested, jailed, sick, poisoned or dead.
Like the troll post about producing a potent hallucinogen by fermenting ones own faeces -Jenkem
Or the one about producing a morphine substitute from banana skins - Bananadine
Or the sugar-heavy, high temperature peanut butter cookie recipe that actually produces, not cookies, but an oven fire.
I could go on...
Wow, not even with prejudice? This will never fly
No, it's cool in this case because they tried to force a contract "without dishonor." You see, that's an important detail because sometimes people seem to have a stroke while coming up with this shit.
I do absolutely love watching sov cits get arrested.
Can you please make this a TV show kind of like Dateline where they embarrass pedophiles? Excuse me sir sir I clearly refused to contract on that ticket sir was it not in red at a clear 45. Why are you detaining me clunk as face strikes door frame of cop car sir the sovereign state of bob is now at war with you! clunk DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY DIPLOMATIC IIIIIMUUUUNITAI
It only works if it is precisely 45 degrees, and the court has a flag without a fringe.
Or is it wit a fringe?
I can't keep up.
No, I'm pretty sure you entered into the "contract" by parking on municipal property that had "pay here" notices everywhere and an obvious kiosk to pay.
Yup. The court will totally understand and not force you to pay anyway. :D
"That darned lawbreaker figured out all the right words to say, and in the correct order too! My hands are tied!" -some hapless clerk.
Love how this is only for Downtown Raleigh too.
Every region has its own very precise angle and ink color requirements.
I'm glad they decided to filter themselves out of the system.