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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 44 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I mean, Hamas's actions are pretty unambiguously war crimes.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They were definitely terrorist actions, not sure about war crimes. But what the IDF are doing is definitely war crimes.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Attacking civilian targets and taking civilian hostages are both very unambiguously war crimes.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hamas’s actions are pretty unambiguously war crimes

Yes, and they're also clearly terrorism.

But then, Israel have been reportedly and apparently focusing on "power targets", which are defined as those with little to no military value, where the goal is to destabilise the civilian population such that they put pressure on Hamas to enact change. "Using violence against civilians in pursuit of a political goal" is the dictionary definition of terrorism.

Both acts are horrific, and above the threshold of anything that could be considered acceptable. It frankly isn't even worth comparing the two to try and figure out which one is worse - to do so would only tarnish your soul. They're different, but they're both unequivocally wrong.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a very good post and true.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, we two finally agree on something.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They are war crimes but they are very clearly not genocide.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

but they are very clearly not genocide.

Only for lack of success.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why.

Doesn't justify Israel war crime, but people should atleast understand what both sides goals are.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, their founding constitution literally says death to Israel. Lack of success is literally the only reason why.

No, no, they totally and radically changed in 2017, please ignore any history, context, statements, or actions past that point.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Good point. A renewed charter can be a sign of change but also a sign of trying to normalize one's organization.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (31 children)

No it was pretty clear that they were not trying eradicate everyone. You don't get 33% military kills when you're going for genocide.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (23 children)

They shouldn't have killed any civilians, but I understand why they'd attack an illegal settlement right outside their open air prison.

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[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Also their voiced intention is to kill all jews everywhere – which is a genocide.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Too bad they're too busy going after Iran instead

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/analysis-israel-and-the-genocide-case-against-iran-at-the-icj/

Let's hear some more from the "experts":

By now AMAN, the IDF intelligence service, must have all the evidence against Iran’s involvement in the genocide on October 7 that was found right after the massacre and during the ground operation in Gaza.

This evidence makes Iran complicit in the genocide carried out on October 7, 2023 against Israeli Jews in the villages around Gaza.

The case that Israel will bring against Iran at the ICJ therefore appears to be a lot stronger than that of South Africa against the Jewish state.

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