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"It's almost a cruel joke on the electorate that the longest presidential election potentially ever might also be the one that they're least excited about," said one Democratic pollster, speaking anonymously to candidly discuss the race.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago (20 children)

Well, here's your problem.

Republicans, by and large, want Trump.

Democratic voters, by and large, want to make sure that Trump loses (much like the person he is), and would like any candidate that can offer a high probability of that happening. Biden has already beat Trump once, and has, overall, been a pretty decent president. (Yes, the Israel thing is a mess, I know. From the river to the sea, etc.) Dems might prefer a younger candidate that's better at ramming legislation through--which no Dem could do right now, not with Republicans controlling the House--but preventing a Republican victory is more important.

So that's how we've arrived here.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Bernie would be better. But we already know what the old establishment dems think of him.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sanders, while I love the guy, is a more polarizing figure than Biden.

Biden was pretty much always going to be the nominee in 2020 for that reason: he was never anybody's favorite, but he was the one face in that field with the important distinction that while nobody really super liked him, nobody really hated him either. Cast a wide net, big tent, and all that.

While the people who like Sanders really like him, there are also a lot of people who would vote Biden to block Trump for whom being asked to vote for Sanders would be a bridge too far. Not that they'd vote for Trump instead...but they just wouldn't cast a vote for either main party candidate.

...which of course also segues neatly to the fact that Sanders isn't a Democrat, and asking the DNC to nominate someone who's not even a party member is a big ask anyway.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

If Sanders is a polarizing figure, it's because democrats (and republicans, obviously) paint him that way because his policies diaagree with their donors. In reality, Sanders' policies align with the vast majority of Americans, but there's no way that'll be allowed through our bought-out election system.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

This election started in November 2022, because the media wants to milk as much money as possible from both rage bait and fear mongering.

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

And yet, democracy itself is on the ballot. I don’t want Joe Biden to be my nominee, but I also realize that Trump is the absolute collapse of America. It’s letting our basest instincts and lesser demons overcome the promise of what we could be.

I don’t care that he’s old and moderate and held dumbass positions in the past. Biden is what is standing between order and chaos. Stability and collapse.

One candidate openly supports lawlessness and fascism for his own personal gain. The other is an old yellow dog Democrat who governs from the center right. It sucks, but the right thing is showing up for Biden IF you vote in a swing state.

If you don’t vote in a swing state, vote hard down ballot, then do whatever for president. It doesn’t really matter.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm gonna be honest, this shit is too noisy. I am exhausted by all of this. On top of it all, these fucks make more money in 5 minutes than I will slaving my life away. I hate politics. I hate bribery codified into law. I know it would be worse for everyone if this whole thing imploded but sometimes it feels like that would be a win. Because then maybe some of these fucks that don't realize or care we all have to share the same pie would be forced to take what has been alloted to me all these years. Am I saying I'd rather us all be in the dregs like rats? Probably not, but I think a healthy thing for a society to do is to not allow people to indirectly harm others by claiming a far bigger piece of the global pie than them and their ilk could ever remotely finish.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The problem with implosion is that it’s people like you and I that get hurt, and implosion doesn’t guarantee a sane outcome. To the contrary, countries that have major upheavals generally end up with authoritarians and dictators in power rather than easing into a stable democracy. The rich guys that remain take even more power and wealth. They’re even more untouchable.

The only kind of major upset that would effect real change would literally be to kill off the rich and powerful, especially the extremists. Otherwise it’s a long, difficult slog to possibly, if you’re lucky, change the system via democratic means.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So an oligarchicide? That has a nice ring to it 🍴

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[–] spider@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They also want a cease-fire in Gaza, but once again, The Big Club doesn't care.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The lack of a good candidate not named those two.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Nikki Haley is still running. Good grief people... There are 48 primaries left to go. If Republicans want someone else they can still choose Haley.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they won't and you know it

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's a chance Donald Trump gets disqualified and Nikki Haley is the only reasonable choice. There's also a chance that Donald Trump's shit mouth proves that he's unfit for office the more he talks. He's seriously not all there anymore.

Nikki Haley staying in the race is a big part of that. Just a few weeks ago Donald Trump confused her with Nancy Pelosi. The dude's fully a dumbass at this point and is unable to keep his arguments or rhetoric straight anymore. I think people are sleeping on what Nikki Haley could seriously accomplish here. If Nikki Haley pushes Trump to rage against her and publicly prove how much of a dumbass he is, Nikki Haley's got a good chance.

A lot of Republicans are going with Trump because they think they have no other option. Biden/Democrats are also pushing Trump as their opponent because someone like Nikki is the most problematic for them. So yeah, its an uphill battle, but one that I personally support.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

There's a chance Donald Trump gets disqualified

Yeah, and there's a chance I win the Powerball even though I don't play. Don't think it's going to happen though.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Because Democrats are assholes and refuse to see how fucking good Biden has been. Perfect is the enemy of good and they keep pushing left and don't have the numbers.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Do you have a list? Aside from trying student loan forgiveness, empowering unions (after kicking the rail union in the dick), and pushing Ukraine aid, I haven't seen anything spectacular, though I may have missed it.

Abortion still needs addressed federally, corps are killing us with prices and blaming inflation or covid, congress is still insider trading, and right now they're all collectively sucking Israel's dick.

I'll still vote biden but I'm gonna fucking complain about it.

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have a list?

Why yes, I do:

What has Biden done?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Glad to help!

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[–] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Biden is the ONLY man in America that could sometimes do some moderately progressive things

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah so why don't you go get on the fucking ballot then, I'd vote for you, let's go let's do it

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[–] snownyte@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Maybe it's because we're tired of old as fuck candidates. I just want more capable and sharp-minded candidates. But we're not going to get that because old farts love other old farts so they keep getting on the ballot.

[–] DannyMac@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Regardless of the outcome, I fear this election will kill me.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I dunno. These articles strike me as right wing misinfo. I'm VERY excited that Trump NOT get elected again. That wouldn't matter even if he were running against Homer Simpson.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

forgive me if im wrong but hasn't trump only won two of the smaller states in the union. What the heck is wrong with nowadays. No canidate of the past would be talked about like they were the one who was not the sitting president.

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