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Friendly reminder that Israel ~~sterilized~~ administered birth control shots without informed consent to Ethiopian Jewish women who were trying to invoke the Law of Return and migrate to Israel.
They gave them a birth control shot without properly informing them of what it was. Still scandalous, but not what you are saying.
Yes, that's what the first article said, except it isn't calling birth control sterilization because that's, you know, bullshit.
I corrected my comment. The article I posted was written by a medical anthropologist, not a conservative think tank.
If only that "think tank" had extensively sourced everything from third parties and didn't deliberately use misleading and propagandistic phrasing, like serious journalists do.
Israel is actively genociding Palestinians, today.
You don't need to make shit up about something that happened years ago.
You don’t have to be a full Jew, just Jew ish
Birthright Israel offers trips to converts too, as long as you are in the age limits.
The law of return also allows converts to obtain citizenship.
In both cases you would have to be a practicing member of the community and do all of the necessary steps to officially become a member.
If Sienfeld, King of the Hill and Family Guy are accurate about this (sure they're just TV shows and two are cartoons, but for 3 different things to show the same specific shit there must be some truth), you can't just convert to Judaism overnight. There are things you have to actually do and they require study. Often years of it. It's not like Christianity where you can just say "I believe this now" and have them welcome you as one of their own faith.
So even if getting a trip was as easy as becoming Jewish, becoming Jewish isn't that easy.
Are you saying you can’t just declare Judaism the way you declare bankruptcy?
"No Micheal, you can't just say Judaism and be Jewish."
"I didn't say it. I declared it."
Conversion is a long process, made considerably easier since Israel came into existence but still not overnight. So no, not tomorrow. But yes, you could probably do it if you were determined enough, or had the right help: How 90 Peruvians became the latest Jewish settlers
The law of return does allow for converts to move to Israel. They do look into your conversion though and if it is a sham they'll decline.
It's not free though.
So like George Santos?
No, they don’t mean Jews religiously. They mean Jewish through heritage, similar to the way many countries do citizenship by birthright rather than birthplace (like the US does). In Hebrew law(?) the birthright is passed down by the mother as prior to genealogy that was a surefire way of proving your parent is who they say they are.
My information is secondhand and any corrections are welcome.
Edit: read below for more accurate information.
No, it’s for all Jews.
In Judaism, there’s no proselytizing - they’re not actively seeking converts. A rabbi is supposed to reject a request for conversion three times before beginning the process. There’s a bit involved - you can find it online - but it involves time and effort and depending on your genitalia a bit of pain (basically just a pinprick even if you’re already good to go, as it were, because a medical circumcision isn’t considered to count as a religious one). Orthodox Jews don’t tend to recognize converts unless they’re also orthodox, but that doesn’t affect the Law of Return.
It’s just a lot of work for a “free” vacation. It’d be easier in the end to just travel over there, unless you’re looking for citizenship.
There are of course many Jewish atheists, but they’re definitely going to push back on that point for a convert.
Honestly, for the level of effort and given OP’s atheism, I’d just save up for a trip to Costa Rica and do jungle zip lines and hang out with sloths. The candles and the hats are nice, but there’s easier ways to tour the Middle East - and I’d include joining the Marines in that.
there’s easier ways to tour the Middle East - and I’d include joining the Marines in that.
That gave me a nice chuckle, thanks.
So Judaism operates on the Beetlejuice rules?
Ancestry yes, but converts are also eligible.
birthright rather than birthplace like the US
I thought place was a criteria for the US, which is what was being claimed during the fake "birther" thing with Obama?
It's either or. But the Obama thing was mostly just racism.
His dad isn't an American citizen (Kenyan) and he has a couple of half brothers who aren't citizens (different mother, born in Kenya).
Obama was double fine, both because he had a US Citizen mother and because he was born in Hawaii.
The conspiracy theory at the time was that he was actually born in Kenya like his half brothers. The conspiracy mostly just ignored that his mom existed, since she died back in 1995, so she wasn't there to defend the point.
They didn't ignore his mother, they argued that she hadn't been in the US for enough time. For a birth abroad with one citizen parent, between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for 10 years prior to the person’s birth, at least five of which were after the age of 14. After 1986 it became 5 years / 2 years after 14.
She was 18 when she gave birth to Barack. He was born in Hawaii so it didn't matter.
What they really ignored is there was zero reason for her to lie and say he was born in Hawaii. Even if it wasn't automatic, obtaining citizenship for her child when she moved back home would have been paperwork, but not difficult. There is no downside to doing it that way unless her plan all along was for him to be the president. Makes no logical sense and a heck of a lot easier to just do the forms.
At one point some people tried to argue John McCain wasnt eligible either as he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which also made no difference.