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[+] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–] EndHD@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (8 children)

or photo editing, in which case GIMP is better, and it's FOSS

[–] TxzK@lemmy.zip 64 points 2 years ago (5 children)

GIMPs UI is steaming hot pile of shit unfortunately. It's very powerful yes, but the UI is really hard to figure out.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Can't say I agree.

That said, this probably isn't true if someone is transitioning from Photoshop, which is probably the context of this discussion. I have seen people who start with Gimp without knowing Photoshop and they got into it fairly quick.

Using Gimp and expecting the same logic and structure as Photoshop will indeed lead to initial difficulties.

I don't want to get into a war here. Am sure there's things more complicated in Gimp than PS, but also vice versa.

Either way, I know a number of people who do stunning work with Gimp in little time.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago

I often find this is the biggest obstacle with moving people to FOSS solutions. People want an alternative to Photoshop, so you show them Gimp, and they immediately get frustrated because they try to apply the logic and design philosophies of Photoshop to Gimp. People want an alternative to Windows, so you show them Linux, and they immediately get frustrated because they try to apply the logic and design philosophies of Windows to Linux. And then when it doesn't work the same way, then obviously that is a deficiency of the alternative, and not simply them having to learn a new way of doing things.

[–] miss_brainfarts@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's a project by Diolinux called PhotoGimp, which aims to make Gimp look like Photoshop. It also changes all the keybinds to match those of PS.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sadly it hasn’t had a new release in 2 years. It will probably go the way of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop, which aimed to do the same before it was discontinued

[–] miss_brainfarts@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

Oh wow, I never noticed, and it's not even been two years since I've started using it. Whoops.

Well then, I'm gonna go try and figure out how to run Affinity in Wine.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

Gimp 3.0 should help afiak

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 years ago

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's sad to say but Photoshop smokes basically all of its competitors except the ones that get into a specificic niche, but even then stuff like illustrator and lightroom compete well in that marketplace.

Photoshop may not be FOSS but it may as well be considered free due to the rampant piracy. I frequently recommend it forgetting it's a subscription based Ad*be made product.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

illustrator doesn't. Inkscape rocks

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 years ago

Hell yeah I should have said that really. My friend has an embroidery machine and we use inkstitch for inkscape to do that.

I don't really move between lightroom, inkscape and Photoshop often but I do move between premier pro, after effects and audition often enough via the way they embed into eachother, and I presume there is similar functionality between those. This helps cement me using something like audition over audacity just because I'm trained on premier pro and don't wanna retrain on DaVinci Resolve.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer finally broke my pirated Photoshop/Illustrator addiction. They are affordable seriously good alternatives with a classic 'pay once for a major release' model instead of a subscription. I'm a fairly advanced user and there was nothing I miss from the Adobe products, although real professionals may have more complex needs.

Also no Linux version. ☹️

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

GIMP is somehow worse than Photoshop and I have no idea why. Inkscape and paint.net exist. Hell Corel paint shop exists.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Pixelmator, Sketch and Affinity apps on MacOS has been my replacement for pirated Adobe products for a long time now. Pixelmator is like $30 one time and really fast with non destructive color correction and Mac shortcuts. None of the terrible GIMP UI.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why would you recommend GIMP when Krita exists

[–] art@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

GIMP = Image Editing
Krita = Drawing and Painting

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

+1 for Krita as the paining mvp

This plugin lets you paint with a local stable diffusion . Its better then firefly and free.

https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion

[–] EndHD@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

didn't know of it. I'll check it out

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

As someone with both installed, I disagree. Photoshop is the industry standard for a reason.

I'll use GIMP when I'm doing editing for my job that doesn't pay for an Adobe license, but otherwise I'll use Photoshop every time.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it though?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

[–] EndHD@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

damn what kind of fancy school anon go to where they can afford Photoshop for the students? our school could only afford desktops from 2 decades ago

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

or drawing. in which Krita is stellar

[–] jawa21@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How bad is the learning curve? I've been cobbling stuff together with Openshot.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty steep, it's software aimed at professionals, and it shows. There are a few tutorials from Black Magic design where you can download the source media and follow along, which I found very useful.

I found you really need to spend a few evenings learning the software before you actually edit anything.

[–] jawa21@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks, I'll check out that tutorial.

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[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I use both. You can set up Davinci Resolve so it uses the same key bindings as Premiere Pro

Edit: I was too quick. You didn't mention Premiere Pro at all. Sorry

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Just came here to say fuck Adobe acrobat

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

horrid piece of software

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Adobe: 🤢

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

foxit pdf reader

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

I prefer Sumatra

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

At this point, I'd say it's not just correct but a moral obligation. Adobe has caused incalculable damage to the softwarescape by buying up smaller but popular companies, shoving their products full of AI crap, and putting them behind a subscription.

Allegorithmic used to have Linux releases for several of their Substance products. They no longer exist. Guess what fucking happened.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The <= 2020 versions of Adobe products basically all still work on Linux as well :)

Some of the menus are buggy, but it works for 99/100 of my personal use cases (or I switch to a rinky-dink windows partition or VM)

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[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you see someone pirate proprietary software: No you didn't.

[–] MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Are knowing nods acceptable?

[–] deadbeef@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

First you tell them about the FSF...

I’d like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as Linux is in fact GNU/Linux or as recently i have taken to calling - GNU+Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself but rather another free component of a full functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

Would you say you pirate those products by...

Prince-ple?

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Mom, can we get Prince

We already have Prince at home.

Prince at home ^

[–] SpermGoobler@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the highest quality version of this meme I've ever seen

[–] BynaD@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Must have been made with pirated photoshop.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Anyone know where I could get a good copy of Lightroom?

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[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I feel like it's even advantageous to them to pirate. If everyone wanting to work in graphic design pirates Photoshop, they'll know how to use it in the business world, and their work will buy it because it's what everyone knows.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 2 years ago

I remember being told to get GIMP because it's the same thing as Photoshop but free and open source. So I tried it.

It's not the same. Not by a long shot. Those who love it because it's open source should mod it up to actually be as good as Photoshop.

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