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Pearls Before Swine has become one of my all-time favorite mainstream comic strips. Stephan Pastis is both a comic genius and an insightful commentator. This is one of my favorites:
Also, he's constantly putting himself down with his own characters, which I love.
Love it. Read it every morning.
Usually, religion is just a front for different political interests
What no historical materialism does to a mfer.
obligatory This Land Is Mine
(not 100% sure if it's relevant to this specifically but it's def relevant to Israel)
FYI, Nina Paley is a TER"F".
It is a good video though, it's a shame it's made by such a shithead.
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The major ones are about loving people in said religion. People who don't follow "the rules" can get fucked.
Imagine a nascent nomadic cult of a fictional kingdom called Canaan, grown and composed of the downtrodden of its society, that when the kingdom begins to encounter problems beyond its control because it does not know how to or cannot treat them, like plagues and disease, the cult begins blaming the rest of society for not worshiping their god, El, enough nor in the right way by their real name, and begin eulogizing killing the rest of society off in extremely violent ways after they manage to survive the plague and disease due to their seclusion.
Imagine then how no one would ever want to admit to being a Canaan because of the risk of getting persecuted when the cult begins to conquer territory, and imagine this happening to such an extent that even the members of the cult, now a full-fledged religion due to its conquests and expansion, denies any relation to said society, making up a story instead about coming from some far off kingdom like Egypt that most people in the region would know of but would not really know the specifics about. It would sound similar enough to already preexisting mythos.
Imagine if this sort of attitude didn't just persist into the "modern" world, but involved offsprings of that very same cult holding power and influence in governments throughout the world. It would be a testament to a cultural unwillingness to overcome its own collective ego and overextended fictional narratives to recognize its flawed conception.
"el" literally just means "god" lmao
So does Allah. Your point?
Yeah. Arabic Christians literally call their God "Allah" too.
It's all the same invisible sky daddy anyway, just interpreted through different hallucinations 🤷
That you've been doing something ridiculous for a long time doesn't make it any less stupid. Quite the opposite.
Also, this is Lemmy, not Reddit.
Holy strawman, Batman!
I'm very far from being a nihilist. I believe in things that can actually be verified. I believe in some people and some ideals.
I just don't base my beliefs on self-contradictory and often batshit insane orders from long dead idiots and wielders of unearned authority pretending to represent a fictional being that's its own dad.
In another comment you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman. And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests like I am in charge of a completely different denomination which I am not even a member of.
you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman
No. There is a shitload of evidence of widespread child rape committed by Christian churches. There's no evidence of me being a nihilist and there wouldn't be since I'm not.
And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests
That was obviously a facetious rhetorical question.
Yes, but there's evidence of athiests being nihilists and claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality, which has led to atrocities. So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians but Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?
So if you're using various Christian institutions as arguments against Christianity, then I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions. Or Nazi Germany (Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not and was only using the label to get votes) who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.
there's evidence of athiests being nihilists
Nope. Not believing in religion is not the same thing as not believing in anything. Far from it.
claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality
Another ridiculous strawman 🙄
which has led to atrocities
Nope. If any beliefs have led to atrocities, it's religious ones. In fact, religion is probably the number two cause of murder after greed.
So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians
No, I specifically said the church, not all Christians. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot who thinks all members of a group are the same.
Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?
Correct.
I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions
You could, but you'd be stupid to do so. Those millions died because of politics, not a lack of religion.
Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not
He was and then he wasn't. He was never an atheist, though:
During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. He also criticized atheism.
who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.
Which the worst Christian bigots do to this day. It's debatable whether or not Donald Trump is a Christian himself, but he's referred to groups of people he doesn't like as vermin and his Christian bigot followers cheered.
No, I specifically said the church, not all Christians. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot who thinks all members of a group are the same.
Okay. What Church? The Roman Catholic church? That has nothing to do with me and little to do with the teachings of Christianity as a whole, there are many Christian churches.
And Ironically, how come I am a bigot all of a sudden? Is it because I am Christian? Why do you think that? Do you think that we're all the same?
And yeah, Trump has said abhorrent things. He is an abhorrent person. But he hasn't followed the teachings of Jesus, such as the rich man and lazarus.
What Church?
Not every single local chapel or whatever, but all of the denominations. Catholic, Orthodox, Southern Baptist, First Baptist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist etc. You name one and there's been clergy raping children. Including whichever sect you belong to.
how come I am a bigot all of a sudden? Is it because I am Christian?
No, it's because of your bigoted statements, such as your automatic assumption that all atheists are nihilists and that atheism leads to evil.
Trump has said abhorrent things. He is an abhorrent person. But he hasn't followed the teachings of Jesus, such as the rich man and lazarus.
The vast majority of the people who worship him call themselves Christians, though. Are they all lying?
You said including whatever sect I belong to, yet I don't belong to any of them. The church I regularly attend has no known cases of child abuse. If there was and it wasn't handled appropriately, I would be among the first to leave.
Athiesm is inherently evil by the Christian definition because it leads people away from God.
Are they all lying? Yes.
The church I regularly attend has no known cases of child abuse.
I specifically said sect and denomination, not church as in the building. Don't try to play even more dumb than you are. Name your denomination and I'll be able to find at least one child abuse scandal.
An environment where they'll be an unquestioned authority figure with the power of heaven and hell as far as the children know and lots of time alone with said miniature slaves is the perfect opportunity for a child molester. Especially in the completely inhumane sects where they expect them to be celibate for life as soon as they enter the priesthood.
Athiesm is inherently evil by the Christian definition because it leads people away from God.
Fun fact: the vast majority of atheists started out religious and then decided for themselves to leave your cult. Some people not sharing your delusions isn't some grand conspiracy to corrupt you and other "righteous" zealots.
I'm not going to doxx myself by telling you the name of that church, but it's low-church. Meaning that it has nothing to do with other churches in the denomination (unlike high Church like Roman Catholic or the Church of England where it's one big institution)
Fun fact: the vast majority of atheists started out religious
And? Athiesm is a new concept, since most of the world is religious, people emerge with athiesm. And a lot of athiests grow up in a lukewarm religious environment anyway.
I'm not going to doxx myself by telling you the name of that church, but it's low-church. Meaning that it has nothing to do with other churches in the denomination (unlike high Church like Roman Catholic or the Church of England where it's one big institution)
Ah, so you're in a Christianity-derived cult. The unhinged zealotry makes more sense now.
Athiesm is a new concept
No, atheism is the default condition of human beings before anyone indoctrinates them.
since most of the world is religious, people emerge with athiesm
Other way around. Literally every single human on earth is born an atheist and then 99.99% of the people who become religious do so because others told them they had to.
And a lot of athiests grow up in a lukewarm religious environment anyway.
Maybe because it's easier to escape a cult that's less intense about the threats of eternal hellfire and shunning from society? Just a thought.
That doesn't answer the "your point?" part lol
Ah, but see, if you don't call him by his real name, wackytoodlerpops, you are committing blasphemy by worshipping a false idol. Ergo, free grounds for some chop chop in my cult, at least until we get to the religious stage and actually have to establish a stable society which has to consider things like trade from and mingling with the outside world. That's sort of why Scientology has had to tone down on its fair game policy.
Do Muslims think that?
I mean the trouble is most religions have been used to spread peace and war. The problem is not religion, it's just the tool. The ruling class will pick up another tool of propoganda to convince the oppressed to act outside their best interests. Feeling smug about being unreligous leaves you vulnerable to alternative methods.
Racism, sexism, nationalism, homophobia, and ageism all serve to divide us whether on a religious or "scientific" basis. No matter the justification we must examine what the end goal of all methods of social control is.
To my understanding at least one religion promotes peace through unified belief (more or less) where the only way the religion is peaceful and loving is if you're a part of the religion. If you believe something different, you're a heretic and must die, for peace.
IDK, killing people in the name of peace seems counterintuitive. There are times that you need to kill warmongers to promote peace, but killing them for peace because their sky friend is different than your sky friend seems like it's a bad philosophy.
I've been aware of this for a while and I have yet to be told I'm wrong, or have anyone provide evidence that I don't understand what it says. I have, however had people verify the concept to me several times. I'm always on edge around people of that religion because if they're being told that people from other religions, and people who won't accept their sky friend as the one true sky friend, should be killed. I'm almost never sure if they're going to try to kill someone to progress their religion by removing heretics. I just can't relax while people from that religion are present because of this. Unless I know them pretty well and know that they reject that philosophy.
Due to this, I'm kind of opposed to "religion is fine as long as it's believers are peaceful" and I'm more in favor of the concept that all religions should be disbanded as a relic of an era where we couldn't comprehend a lot of things that science has since explained away.
I don't subscribe to any religion because they can't all be correct, if any are, and because there's no differentiating information that lends any scientific validity to any one religion, and in the absence of a "God" giving some kind of indicator as to which one is correct, I'm forced to assume that with the plethora of conflicting ideologies, that none of them are correct. I have to believe that if there is a God who wants you to believe and obey one specific set of beliefs, that (s)he would make some kind of effort to clarify which one is correct; this leads me to think that either God doesn't exist, or doesn't care. Given that, I just try not to be a "bad person" and live a moral life, and if I die and find out there is a God, and (s)he wants humanity to believe a certain set of gospel, then I'll have some not so nice words to say to them. Until then, as long as no further information is available about what "God" may actually want us to do, I'll continue down this path indefinitely, and trying to be nice to my fellow man whenever possible, not because they deserve it, but simply because I want to be treated nicely as a person and not promote the suffering that is already far too common in humanity.
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Oh man, I haven't seen a Pearls Before Swine strip in ages
Its just an excuse to in group/out group. Controlling people with religion wields a tremendous amount if power. Weaponizing climate change denial is another example
Just in time.
That's why I'm a Satanist.
No big book of dogma to follow. We aren't trying to convert you. Just fuckin' chill and hail Satan.
okay I understand everyone's modern definition of Satanism but why are they claiming a title that has traditionally been defined as the source of sorrow and eternal suffering and fire and eternal punishment?
They basically uphold him as a symbol of rebellion against an unjust, totalitarian authority.
What sort of rebellion against this "unjust and totalitarian authority"... Raping children?
You mean like all Christian denominations but especially the catholic church does, have always done and always will do unless we stop them somehow?
Yeah... So do school teachers. Christianity isn't about raping children. Neither is education.
A big part of organized Christianity is covering for and otherwise enabling child rapists, though. Not so for education.
Besides, not that it makes a single rape acceptable, of course, but education has many positive aspects that can't be found outside of education. Christianity doesn't have even one.
Christianity has the positive aspects of saving people's soul. Child rape is not a "big part" of Christianity. It is not proscribed in the Bible nor in any catechism. It literally says that if you harm a child, that it would be better for you to be drowned in the sea than to face the wrath of God.
Christianity has the ~~positive~~ imaginary aspect of saving people's soul.
Fixed it for you.
Child rape is not a "big part" of Christianity.
It might not be in theory but it is in practice. Christian authority figures keep raping children with impunity and their bosses keep sweeping it under the rug.
It is not proscribed in the Bible nor in any catechism. It literally says that if you harm a child, that it would be better for you to be drowned in the sea than to face the wrath of God.
So why aren't you drowning all those child molesting priests in the sea? Don't you believe in what your silly book says you have to do?
