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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 123 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Lpt: DO NOT ASK A PERSON IF THEY HAVE FOUND A JOB YET

If they have and you're important enough to them, you'll know when they tell you. If they haven't told you, either it's none of your GODDAMN BUSINESS or they're still looking.

You asking just reminds them they don't have a job. And if they've been looking for awhile, it's even worse. Especially if you actually said "yet" or added in some other "it's been awhile" modifier.

[–] Neil@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Nah, sorry. If you've got a lazy teenager (or even adult) living rent free in your basement, you have every right to pressure them about finding a job.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is one of the toughest job markets I've ever experienced for specialized labor. I was part of the tech industry layoffs last year and I busted my ass for months before I got an offer. Many people I know are going through the same thing. It was honestly more draining than my actual job and I'd occasionally reach a burnout point where I couldn't even look at listings without being consumed by anxiety and dread.

On top of that, I was still paying ludicrous rent prices because the housing market is also shite and by the end of my unemployed period my net worth had been cut by almost 50%. I'm fortunate enough to have had an emergency fund but having the option to live rent free in my parent's basement sure would have been nice.

Obviously, every situation is different. But I'd advise anyone to be aware of the situation and ask how they can support somebody going through that rather than assuming they're just being lazy and regularly pestering them.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

i dunno, that culture of everything (even your care for your son) being transactional and people kicking their kids out of the house at 18 for being "leeches" doesnt seem like it helps a lot. feels like extreme alienation.

it doesnt help that working and paying rent is significantly more difficult than it used to be for the previous generations. despite advancing technology we now have to slave away much worse to afford living.

all that said, i guess the problem its on the tone of it or how culture is in that regard, not so much about just the act of asking. i think capitalists have succesfully associated the grind with some sort of virtue.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Except pressuring them is counterproductive and demotivating. Just adds to their stress and shame

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The right kind of positive reinforcement can help people who are feeling depressed and defeated. Sometimes just being there and letting them know they're not alone in this, that they aren't unique in hating the job hunt, and that we all know how dysfunctional the system is can be the sympathetic boost they need to give it another go.

Just ignoring and isolating someone who is struggling isn't helpful either. Especially if they're paralyzed by anxiety or confusion.

The stress and the shame comes from feeling like you don't fit in. And the job hunting process necessarily involves a lot of rejections - often deeply personal rejections on subjects you had historically felt quite good about. Helping someone score even a minor W can count for a lot.

In my experience, one of the best cures to job hunt paralysis is volunteering. When you're working with other people to do something useful and beneficial to others, you get the sense that you really do have skills and add value to others. Also, its a good way to get outside your bubble and meet people who might want to pay you to do shit. If nothing else, the folks you volunteer with are usually good for a referral.

But just hiding in a dark room all day is fucking awful for the human psyche.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you’ve got a lazy teenager (or even adult) living rent free in your basement

I mean, pressure has its place. But when it becomes a particularly sore subject, especially in a tight job market, you're just poking an open wound.

If you want to help someone get on their feet, maybe try... actually helping. "Hey, I found someone looking to hire an entry level thing-you-do and here's the contact information" / "I saw a help-wanted sign over at the place that has jobs you're looking to fill" / "I asked my friend if they have any openings at Company and it sounds like they might be willing to give you a referral" is vastly more helpful than "Have you tried looking online yet?"

[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Old people trying to help are always useless.

It was always something incredibly basic like:

"Have you tried writing a CV."

Or incredibly stupid like

"Just march in there and demand a job."

Or the most annoying.

"This person needs insert free labour, that'll be good. No they can't afford to hire anyone so you won't get paid."

Nepotism works, if you can use nepotism you might help. Otherwise you probably have no idea what you're doing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Nepotism works

We're social animals, and going through a person who actually works at the company yields a significantly better rate of hire than just going through some opaque digital front door.

[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for your input, I will continue to ask them.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a meme. It's not supposed to be 100% accurate

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Or, it's supposed to be a depiction of an event, not a lesson of how people SHOULD behave.

[–] RatherBeMTB@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The crystal generation! Now it looks bad to show interest in someone's well being because it makes them uncomfortable for a few seconds. Also, only fucking God knows why it makes them uncomfortable!

[–] egeres@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not sure if this is the right place to start this conversation, but I find glassdoor much more pleasing and respectful than linkedin. If you're struggling to get a job maybe give it a shot, it's incredibly though out there right now, best of luck to all of you!!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glassdoor has its kinks, but LinkedIn is just six MLMs in a trench coat.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

All of MLM energy but for people with slightly better -- but only slightly -- bullshit detectors.

[–] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

linkedin is Facebook for "professionals"

[–] quams69@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm back at the job I walked out on five months ago, started again today

Someone kill me please god end this it isn't worth it nothing is worth this

[–] autokludge@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

I'm sure you had your reasons.

Employers prefer it if you are already taken.

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[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Impressive amount of anger in these comments

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[–] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My older brother went through this recently after losing his job and not finding one again for another several months. Thankfully, he got hired on at a new place right before Christmas! I'm so very happy for him!

I'm lucky enough that my current field is very small and it's generally pretty easy to get a callback from an employer. But I remember when I wasn't in this field and had to spend hours a day filling out a zillion applications hoping maybe 1 in 100 would give you a call back.

There has got to be a better system. Especially because every single online job application website makes you both upload a copy of your resume and then manually re type out the whole thing again. It makes these things take infinitely longer than they should. Why????