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[–] darganon@lemmy.world 107 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A quick Google search shows that 28 CFR 29.1 is regulations for the "Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act" which allows the attorney general to implement a program where people can put a sticker on their car which means cops can then stop and verify that they're the vehicle owners.

That doesn't mean license plates are optional. Normally I just smirk and move on feeling superior, however they rarely cite something as easy to Google as the CFR.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 62 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lol wait, so it's actually telling cops to please search this vehicle?

That's just way too funny.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

In the 1980s, millions of parents took their children to be fingerprinted in the name of safety just in case they were kidnapped or something. It was very strange. I think that they were really arguing that people should do this so that their childrens' bodies could be identified.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I remember this - in grade school we had a field trip to the local jail. They showed us around (I remember being freaked out by the toilets and cameras!), told us if we didn't respect our parents and the cops that we'd end up in jail there, then fingerprinted us all. This was 1985 and I'm sure it required a permission slip but jesus what a weird thing to do to little kids.

[–] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Think we went as cub scouts, or maybe it was at school, but do remember being fingerprinted. Early 1990s.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Parents didn't even need to take the kids anywhere. They did that shit to us at school, and then put a little packet together to take home to your parents.

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it was for our safety. I remember doing it.
I've had a couple jobs that required it again anyways.

I'd be surprised if most of those kids fingerprint records still even exist. Most of my old school records are long gone.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I believe that they were registered with the FBI.

Apparently fingerprints change as you grow so it was probably a dumb idea to begin with. Your fingerprint as a child is different than your fingerprint now.

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Driving without legal plates is essentially this, even when it doesn't cite laws.

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[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago (4 children)

"DO NOT TOW OR MOVE" will deter exactly zero tow truck drivers.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Writing “without prejudice” next to your signature will make exactly zero difference in “your rights.”

[–] Kiernian@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

“DO NOT TOW OR MOVE” will deter exactly zero tow truck drivers.

Shoot, being legally parked with all of your vehicle plates/tags/registration/etc in order isn't enough to deter some tow truck drivers.

There's a company in my area that actively, regularly engages in predatory towing. All they have to do is claim someone called about it and be unable to produce records because of some computer issue. If they choose their targets carefully, they either get:

A: free money

B: free salvage

Even if someone DOES manage to sue and win, that's maybe 5% or less of the vehicles they tow. They seem to deem that an acceptable hit rate for free money.

Go ask anyone who tows inside the city limits of a major metropolitan area what percentage of vehicles get reclaimed after being towed.

If a company is willing to throw ethics out the window and drown the predatory tows in a flood of legitimate work, there's apparently extra money to be made.

Worst case scenario the company that practices such things fires someone for "making too many mistakes on the job" and they go get a tow job elsewhere because there's a massive shortage of tow trucks seemingly everywhere.

Much of the towing industry is a half-step above organized crime.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 64 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I thought they were sovereign citizens. Why are these retards citing federal and state laws at all in the first place?

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, that's what they usually do.

They point to specific laws, which they wildly misinterpret, and say that these laws have loopholes which allow them to opt out of regulations, or even contain flaws large enough that the entire authority of government is invalid.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

It's like religious people who misinterpret holy text to mean what they want it to mean by ignoring any context.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They think that they are essentially citing ORIGINAL English Common Law that existed prior to the establishment of the US. A lot of what they argue would have made sense in the time before there was a US Constitution that changed/replaced a lot of that and then the centuries of the country progressing into the future and all the changes that entails.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wouldn't that make them British citizens then?
(I know I'm uselessly trying to bring logic into this)

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a French I'm sorry but they're all yours

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a US corporate owned entity. I have nothing against the French.

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[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I had to look all of these up.

18 U.S. Code 31

Definitions section for U.S. Code Title 18 Chapter 2. Literally just defines terms used elsewhere. Contains no actual laws, regulations, or rights. It does not define "NOT FOR HIRE", but it does define "motor vehicle" as referencing only vehicles used for commercial purposes. They're probably trying to indicate that since they are not operating for commercial purposes then it is not a "motor vehicle" for the purposes of the law, but are choosing to ignore that these definitions are for chapter 2 only.

Importantly, nothing else they cite is from Title 18, Chapter 2.

42 U.S. 1983

Provides the groundwork for taking civil action in the event that your rights are violated. Specifies that any person violating another's rights is liable for that action. Does not at any point say anything about soliciting.

28 CFR 29.1

As mentioned by @darganon@lemmy.world, provides the Attorney General with the authority to implement a theft protection program that involves vehicle owners providing consent to have their vehicles arbitrarily stopped and investigated as a potential theft.

Literally the opposite of what these people (and most others, to be fair), would want.

18 U.S. Code 654

Specifies that US federal employees are not permitted to embezzle or steal property that comes into their possession as part of their jobs.

Has nothing to do with private property, its definition, or associated rights.

18 U.S. Code 242

Fairly colourful legal language that basically means people who claim or appear to be acting in accordance with the law still aren't permitted to violate your rights. Notable for actually being about what they say it is, an assertion of their rights when dealing with law enforcement.

Also a bit about racism and unnecessary violence in the name of the law being bad. Police probably could use a refresher on this one.

UCC 1 - 308

This one is actually hilarious on the heels of calling themselves "not for hire" to skirt the definition of "motor vehicle" under 18 U.S. Code 31, since the entirety of UCC is specifically about people engaged in commercial transactions.

Adding "all rights reserved" basically means that all your rights don't need to be explicitly stated in agreements or contracts, you have them regardless. It also adds that people can come to agreements outside of the original terms of their contract or rights and this is not a violation.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

... Cool. Here's your ticket. Take it up with the judge.

SCs: ARE YOU THREATENING ME!?

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[–] quams69@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lmfao codes to search these people think they're using irl cheat codes

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

If you get pulled over, just show the secret hand signal

👍👍👎👎👈👉👈👉

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

These morons have some of the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

Oh, sorry. Without prejudice.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What is wrong with all these people?

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[–] rezifon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

His abrupt death felt like karmic irony for always parking in handicap spaces when he was healthy.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Steve Jobs should NEVER be used as an example of how to human. He truly was a despicable person who happened to be very smart and have lots of visions for the future.

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[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

...that seems like a lot more work than just getting the plates

[–] rezifon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I’m sure from his perspective a new car just showed up in his garage every six months.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Wait, it this a CHRISTIAN thing? I thought the sovereign citizen thing was a secular libertarian thing.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think this particular person likes to flaunt religious status. Doesn’t seem like being a sovereign citizen is a religious thing

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It has as much basis in fact as most religions do. It offers a faith-based legal defense to all those who try it, and I imagine it attracts the same sort of people who are attracted to that sort of irrational reasoning.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

A lot of sovcits are Moorish Temple members too.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

A whole lot of whackadoo can exit in the same person and come from all sorts of sources.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

All rights reserved. DO NOT TOUCH HIS COPYRIGHT OR TRADEMARK RIGHTS OVER THAT VEHICLE. Phew, I can relax now.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I am jealous of these people. I wish I had the patience to actually read the tos of everything I use.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They don't even read them if they did they wouldn't be using them because the sections of law quoted don't actually mean or imply what they seem to be used for...

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

That's because you aren't reading every third word, the way you're supposed to be.

"Breach of compliance will be paid until deficits zero."

See? Compliance paid zero. She's all paid up and good to go.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Sometimes one can become envious of people with little brain capacity. For them, everything is easy, because they lack the mental skills to deal with anything complicated. Happy little laughing idiots, living in their own little world.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

looks at picture Oh man, I remember eating a bunch of weed and getting shitface drunk for days at a time. Good times. Doesn’t really work as an identity, tho. And you really ought to stay in, y’know, if you're gonna.

[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Exactly right. I'm on a lot of their groups because it's funny.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It figures they'd be religious.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Sometimes they mean Yah instead of Jesus or God.

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