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[–] wheresmysurplusvalue@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

Point 1: no economy except capitalism was, is, or will ever be possible. Even the modes of production prior to capitalism were impossible because goods were not traded

[–] SnAgCu@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I think one of the main flaws of socialism and planned economies in general is not accounting for supply and demand. In a capitalist society, if you don’t want something, you don’t buy it, whereas under a planned economy you’re stuck with it because that’s what the state decided to make. Case in point the coffee shortages in east Germany when it was controlled by the soviets. The people were extremely unhappy to the point of rioting.

ooooooooooooooh the coffee

As opposed to our famously robust capitalist economy which never has shortages and efficiently allocates resources to the most critical needs, of course.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

geordi-no Living in a country where when there's a global coffee shortage due to a poor harvest, the government blends in ersatz coffee to prevent price overruns and fill supply gaps, working to mitigate the issue over several years.

geordi-yes Living in a country where when there's the same global shortage the government lets coffee skyrocket to $20 per pound, accounting for inflation and then lets companies just keep that new pricing forever with inflation being the only thing that makes coffee appear to have gotten cheaper by the 1990s

The 1970s coffee shortage affected every country and the west just let coffee prices soar up to about $3.10 per pound in 1976 dollars, which then was passed on to consumers closer to $4/lb.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yea capitalists meanwhile are great at predicting demand.

Like where does he think capitalists get the demand for a commodity from?

In a capitalist society, if you don’t want something, you don’t buy it, whereas under a planned economy you’re stuck with it because that’s what the state decided to make.

No one under socialism is required to buy anything either. What is their point?

Microecon nerds live in a different universe.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

Does he think that capitalist East Germany could have grown coffee? Is he just ignoring reality completely?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ah yeah, you can famously just not buy a car in the US if you dont want to, since it's a capitalist country.

the state would never build only car infrastructure, and so the people wouldnt be stuck with it.

but hey, at least you get homeless camps as far as the eye can see, so it's worth it.

well without homeless camps, how would I feel better about my own grim situation for the next decade before they automate my slightly more complicated job away too?

[–] mustGo@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

In a capitalist society, if you don’t want something, you don’t buy it, whereas under a planned economy you’re stuck with it because that’s what the state decided to make. Case in point the coffee

me in my night cap: This must be a mistake. This was supposed to be my sleepy time.
guy with an AK47: DRINK THE FUCKING ESPRESSO

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

"economic calculation problem", meet "computers".

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago
[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Liberals try to understand socialism Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE"

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

"factors of production would be the steel, the rubber"

bro what

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We're going straight to communism trot-shining

[–] voight@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

Mises' impossibility thesis

my only weakness

family-guy-death-pose

drat

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

three words into the description and i'm out

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mises: socialism is impossible because how will you do millions of mathematical calculations???

Computers:

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

smuglord nobody is smart enough to do a lot of math!!!!!!!!!!

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[–] Sinistar@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

clueless I'm gonna watch this in good faith

1 minute later

cereal1 Well obviously socialism won't work if you redefine what socialism is to be something really stupid.

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

socialism is when individuals all hold private property in absence of a market and with no centralized planning

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

if you scratch a liberal

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