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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In a primary, should I vote for the person I want to win who couldn't possibly win the general election because I'm a weirdo, or the one that everyone says has the best chances to beat the evil fascists? Oh, and what if everyone says I want the fascists to win if I vote for the weirdo?

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you’re supposed to stay home for the primary, then loudly complain about the nominees.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

No you’re supposed to cast a vote that doesn’t count and have the superdelegates fuck your shit up.

Then you are supposed to be super surprised that Clinton lost to Trump. And fucked up the government for at least the next 12 years.

Sorry, am I still bitter about that?

[–] Fermion@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The primary is when you should vote for candidates you can think about liking. The general is the time for lesser of two evils nonsense.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But what if by campaigning for the one I like I undercut support for the other one in the general, and therefore cause the greater of two evils to be elected?

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you're really worried about this, then vote in the primaries the same way you would in the general, so you don't have any doubts.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Voting is a choice. What do you mean?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When you have only one barely acceptable option, there is no choice. Only coercion.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You must live a privileged life to think that the right to vote is coercion.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You must support genocide to consider it a choice.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Nope.

Three months ago all of you said I supported terrorism because I was standing up for the Palestinian civilians, now because I don't attribute a 70-year-old mutual defense agreement solely to the sitting president of 3 years who's asking that ally to be less aggressive, all of you say I support genocide.

OP asked who they can vote for. That is a choice. They have a choice who they cast their vote for.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Three months ago all of you said I supported terrorism because I was standing up for the Palestinian civilians

I said no such thing.

OP asked who they can vote for. That is a choice. They have a choice who they cast their vote for.

As long as they don't want Trump and the fascism he promises, they have to vote for Biden and the genocide he enables. You may think voting for genocide under threat of fascism is a choice, but the threat is what makes it coercion.

As far as I'm concerned, calling it a choice just indicates that you would choose to vote for genocide in the absence of such a threat.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Your confusion makes your concern understandable.

Voting for Biden is not a vote for genocide, you're misattributing 70-year Israeli war crimes to a 3-year sitting president asking Israel to be less aggressive and ignoring all of his administration's achievements for women's rights, the environment, infrastructure, jobs, voting rights, and many more.

Go ahead. Ask.

There are many candidates, OP can vote for any candidate they like, that is a choice.

Voting is a choice.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Voting for Biden is not a vote for genocide,

He didn't have to circumvent congress to sell them weapons. His hands weren't tied there.

Voting is a choice.

And the refrain when someone doesn't want to vote for the genocide you support and suggests not participating at all, the refrain unfailingly is "that's the same as voting for Trump." There's no choice.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They won't be voting for genocide by voting for Biden, your nonsensical equivocation of two unrelated events notwithstanding.

Biden is a good presidential candidate with 3 years of successful beneficial domestic and foreign policies, regardless of who he's running against, and Biden happened to be sitting when a terrorist attack occurred against a 70-year mutual defense ally.

If you don't like the false refrain you mentioned, all you have to do is stop spreading it around.

Anyone can vote for Trump if they want to. It's a vote for rape and direct election fraud, but that's the price you pay for participating in a representative democracy.

Everyone gets to vote.

Voting is a choice.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

You did a good job of handling this. When I'm faced with such stupid, I cannot even deal with it.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 2 years ago

Eat the Vote pods

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So democrats are having actual primaries? No? This it's just gloating that we're stuck with Biden?

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ide register republican just to vote in their primaries, but their fundraising is insufferable.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They occasionally have real people text you instead of a robot and those conversations can be fun

[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

IIRC due to the Can SPAM Act they can't use robo-txting. There has to be another person on the other end.

It doesn't stop the ones that are already doing illegal shit, but it stops the legit PACs that don't want millions in fines.

[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are DNC candidates like Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson. Maybe Cenk Uygur who was born in Turkey so....not actually a valid candidate. He was a Republican 20 years or so ago, so it makes sense that he wouldn't think that the Constitution applies to him.

I had to look it up because I had no idea because the DNC (as in the organization itself) has been asleep at the wheel as usual favoring one candidate.