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Suspect dead in Texas after 8 people are killed at 3 locations in Joliet, Illinois (www.cbsnews.com)

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[–] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Nance's prior arrest records indicated that he was previously arrested for aggravated discharge of a weapon involving a woman.

It needs to be specified if you discharge your weapon and a woman is involved? Because that's...a different charge than if a man is involved? What if it's a woman discharging the weapon? Still phrased like this? What a weird thing to write.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It implies a domestic dispute rather than, like a bar fight.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

No. They are saying that he was previoualy arrested for aggravated discharge of a weapon and that the aforementioned incident involved a woman.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Would you have been happier if it had said, "Nance’s prior arrest records indicated that he was previously arrested for aggravated discharge of a weapon involving a person?" Because that sounds awkward to me.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

Aggravated discharge implies involving another person so that wouldn't be said. It feels like something is being hinted at - likely domestic violence - without being explicitly said for some reason. I think that's the weirdness being commented on. If it was domestic violence why not say that? But if not that what is being hinted at?

It's probably overthinking, but this is the internet.

[–] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why not just end the sentence with the word "weapon"? That's the important part.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because shooting a gun in your front yard at nobody in particular because you're a crazy fucker is different than firing a gun in a way as to threaten a person or persons.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's what the "aggravated" part is for. You don't get "aggravated" tacked on if another person is not involved.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Do you think most people understand that?

[–] sphericth0r@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that they're saying that the person is implied, aggravated discharge of a weapon with no person involved is just target practice.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think it is implied. You can do that in your back yard towards a group of neighbors in the next yard who are pissing you off with a party.

Doing it with a single other person involved is a specific situation and specifying the gender just makes the copy easier to scan.

[–] sphericth0r@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You're right about the backyard but that would involve a person or people. If the discharge is aggravated, by definition it implies that people are involved. Adding the gender of the person that is implied is done for an emotional response from certain groups by not providing context that is useful. We fill in the blank with our biases.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. Either a person or multiple people. This shows that it was just one person. And the gender is just for easier-to-read copy.

[–] sphericth0r@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure why you take issue with the facts that the word aggravated in this context means that the people are implied, or that adding words is not easier to read. It's okay that you didn't know what aggravated means, but it still doesn't change the fact that this is redundant information. Redundant information is harder to read, and the specific gender of the victim does not add anything to the context for the headline, a de facto harder to read title. It's possible that this was done on purpose, or that the author was also unaware that aggravated means people are involved and felt they needed to add words.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

They probably would have specified if it was a man, too.

You're making up things to be upset about.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 years ago

Nice of you to notice the subtitles of the American justice system. This is actually a much harsher crime than just leaving the gender undefined.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

JOLIET, Ill. (CBS) -- Eight people were found shot and killed in three different locations over two days in Joliet, and the suspect in the slayings was also found dead by a suspected suicide 1,200 miles away Monday night, police said.

The apparent self-inflicted gunshot death of 23-year-old Romeo Nance in Texas followed a manhunt by multiple law enforcement agencies.

Yikes.