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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago (21 children)

I still won't buy a phone without a microSD slot.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

What phones even still do? Sonys? Low end Samsungs? Fairphone?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Crazy how every time someone asks what brand even supports some previously-normal feature, the answer is always Motorola. Headphone jack, FM radio, SD card, stylus...

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's actually making a comeback because the EU got pissed.

My phone's brand new and it has a removable battery, not even in the EU

[–] fat_stig@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it is because the EU listened to the people. This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled by big business, and are allowed to enact legislation that doesn't only benefit one side.

[–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled

The car lobby in the eu: Am I a joke to you?

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[–] TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Coz batteries degrade over time, and this way you’re either forced to buy a new phone, or have to pay to have the battery replaced

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's also 10x easier to achieve IP67 water resistance with the battery sealed off. Having a removable battery would require more engineering contrary to shareholders' wishes.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

They used to have microSD..

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who needs a micro SD when you can pay a subscription cloud service for the rest of your life???? - morons responding to me every time I lament the need for an SD card

Not to mention if your screen gets fucked you can remove the card and have all your photos / movies instantly

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[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This drives me crazy. An iPhone 15 pro max with 256gb of storage is 1199 and the 512gb is 1399.

So $200 for an extra 256gb. Meanwhile a fast, name brand, 1tb micro SD card is about $100.

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[–] Cover_czar@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 years ago (7 children)

No headphone jack
No memory card slot
No ir blaster

Why are they making it a useless device??

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago

Because we still fucking buy them

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To sell you more phones. Duh.

[–] brey1013@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

OP up in here learning about late-stage capitalism like 😲

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why do you think my old ass bought a fair phone

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same here

They say stuff like repairability, durability, not using child slavery, yada yada not important

the easily replaceable battery is what really caught my eye and brought me to the yard!

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[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I kinda hate the fact they took of the headphone jack. Conveniently, they started selling their own buds with that launch

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[–] tslnox@reddthat.com 27 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The only valid reason is waterproofing. If the phone isn't waterproof, it's only to limit repairability... Also one factor in that was, I believe, the thinness war, but that's pretty much over now as they all got to the practical limit I guess.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I'm not even sure thinness was something consumers ever would have demanded (at the sacrifice of battery life) if the mfrs hadn't pushed it as a selling point.

In the flipphone days I didn't know many people who didn't have at least one spare battery, so they could swap to a fresh one on the go without having to charge, or bought extra thick batteries with higher capacity, extending the back of the phone.

Then when smartphones had removable batteries, lots of people still did those things. And all during that time I remember many reviewers and consumers reacting to many of the "thinness" claims with "I'd really like a bigger battery instead."

I also remember it being proven that apple's removal of the headphone jack impacted neither waterproofing nor thinness, despite their claims. (But then of course one by one others started following suit.)

I think it's better for mfrs and that's the only reason. It saves them money on mfr, or gets phones tossed in the bin faster. Possibly both.

I'd still take 2 or 3 more mm of thickness for an amazing battery.

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[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Galaxy S5 was IP67 waterproof and had a removable battery and a headphone jack.

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

My casio watch is waterproof. [100M Water Resistant] And it has a user replacable battery. With a gasket inside and cool looking screws. (yes, I consider screws to be cool) Also, it costs less than $20

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Take away user choice, use really bad excuses like water proofing and space saving, and you can be sure consumers will iteratively buy more frequently and spend more for cloud services.

Bye battery Bye bye headphone jack Bye bye user expandable storage.

Capitalism has steered us to this as the preferable product.

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[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

My Fairphone 3 still has a removable battery. I replaced the battery myself last year. It took me 10 seconds once it arrived.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

A lot of anti-user design choices were first introduced by the iPhone. As someone who has owned iPhones since the iPhone 3G, I blame myself.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Integrating the battery saves a small amount of space and weight. That makes the phone very slightly thinner and lighter, which is what most people seem to prefer. Same with not having expandable memory. IMO it's a bad tradeoff, but I still miss physical keyboards.

[–] Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The stupid part is that they will buy phone cause it's 0.1mm thinner and then slap on 3mm phone case on top.

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[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Computers were not stopping you from running any software you want, until they got small enough for people to forget they are still computers.

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[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some still do. I just started working at Walmart, and they give you a Samsung phone to do your job. You use the camera for scanning tags, shelving, check item status, and a bunch of other shit. It's a modern phone, with USB c, fingerprint sensor in the power button, android 13, stupid hole-punch camera, etc. And when I pulled off the otterbox case they gave me with it, I found that the back pulls off and the battery pops out, like all of my phones used to do back in the day. I assume that's so they can more easily keep these phones in use, as they can pull out a failing battery and pop a new one in without having to send the phone sent off for servicing.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is so the spyware can't be disabled via battery removal

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Also so that phones require more frequent replacement. Usually the battery goes first. It doesn't hold a charge or undervolts and slows down the phone. They want you to buy a new phone every two years.

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[–] Bismuth@lemmy.cafe 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I remember when my mom had a phone with a removable battery, she would drop it a lot and it would separate into a gazillion components but it wouldn't break. I miss the days

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I feel like the parts separating had a lot to do with saving the phone as a whole. It must be absorbing and dissipating some of that energy from the fall rather than all that energy being directed into the phone when it stays together.

I remember my old phones would fly apart from a fall but they'd never suffer any meaningful damage.

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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Recently switched from a certain predatory fruity phone to a phone from a certain Dutch manufacturer that has removable battery and replaceable parts. At some point, it got water damaged, and the charging circuit stopped working. While I'm waiting for the replacement part to arrive, I can continue using it by charging the battery with a bench power supply. Feels good man!

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[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] kumatomic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They also had keyboards that worked well and there was even real competition for on-screen keyboards until Google bought out and dissolved the best keyboard because they really want your ducking typing data.

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[–] SeekPie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)
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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I suspect that this was considered a feature when it was fist envisioned and technology progressed so quickly that you needed a new phone each year just to use available services. In that light, it didn't matter if your battery only lasted 2 years.

Now that you can run your cell phone easily for 5 - 7 years, batteries are important again. Thank you EU for requiring replaceable ones in the future, you may have helped the entire world.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The craziest part to me is that it wasn't until they started forcing them to be stuck inside phones all the time that they started exploding. And yet the FTC still doesn't give a shit

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[–] uis@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] sxan@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago

The EU, despite (valid) criticisms and pravacy mis-steps, is right now the only large, powerful organization fighting for consumer rights. I wish I, as an American, could support them, because the laws the EU is passing benefit me as well.

Go EU, indeed!

[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Planned obsolescence

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Mine still does. 2 Sim slots and a SD slot. Not one of those Sim/sd combo ports.

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