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[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 99 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The bill also designates specific areas for unhoused people with penalties (including death, apparently) for being found outside the zones

Sanctuary Districts are becoming real

[–] kusuriya 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So the Bell Riots are incoming I see. Sorry to be that trope of a Star Trek fan.

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At Hexbear you will find many believers in the prophecy

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

data-revolutionary the Irish Unification is coming

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My main concern is that the fact that our accommodations for homeless people are worse than Sanctuary Districts may mean that we are in the Mirror Universe.

[–] Saeculum@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does that mean I need to start growing a goatee, or will one be provided for me?

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

if you don't have a goatee in the bad universe, then your double in the good universe does (and is probably rocking it)

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Every woman isn't a domme so it's not the star trek mirror universe.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

We're all really really hoping for it here

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

America will literally do all that than put people into homes for free.

[–] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Getting shot for being outside The Zone.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hexbear doing "arm the homeless" as a bit when it is desperately needed in fact right now.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it was never a bit. armed self defense is our only hope.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Armed self defence is valid but arming a group of people who have high instances of mental illness is probably going to do a lot of harm.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Help the homeless form a well regulated militia to maximize their effectiveness and minimize risk to themselves and noncombatants. Bonus: annoy right wing second amendment advocates.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Every homeless person gets 10 free kills

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (7 children)

How can this possibly be constitutional? I don't get how violence can be decriminalized against a section of the population

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Constitution matters a whole lot less than what people are willing to tolerate, and everyone in the US outside the sliver on the far left considers homeless people vermin to be eradicated.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Republicans want homeless people eradicated, Democrats just don't want to see them. This is part of why Democrats will support (watered down, means tested) solutions that involve roofs over heads and not just cops.

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

mbic, we constitutionally enshrined the right for the state to enslave people, the constitution is what people don't revolt about.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How can this possibly be constitutional?

While I am constantly weirded out by how seriously fascists take the constitution, it is ultimately not "real" in the sense that it doesn't define or restrict their actions.

Plus, the courts have very limited enforcement power and can often just be ignored.

And even if this is unconstitutional, and never passes, it's a screaming out to fascists that they can and should kill. It sends marching orders to the fash even if it doesn't hold the weight of law. Like how back in the Trump year's Trumps more or less open support for fascist street fighting gangs emboldened them right up until the FBI turned on them.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

They don't take the constitution seriously at all; but libs have for the past ~75 years at least, so fascists have identified it as a useful weapon.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

The government and its rules are like Tinkerbell; they only exist if we all believe in them. Or, to quote my boy Montesquieu: governments rule by the consent of the governed. Don't forget that the first major native American relocation program (Andrew Jackson's trail of tears) was ruled unconstitutional. Jackson was a real piece of work and had a fucking hate boner for everyone and everything; I mean, thank fuck the guy wasn't around for WWII and the technology/political ideologies of the time. I'm pretty sure he came when he heard the SCOTUS ruled against him. He famously said "Justice Marshall has made his decision, now let him come enforce it", and just went ahead with his act of genocide. The SCOTUS couldn't really do anything besides stamp its feet and yell about it because Jackson just decided that the rules didn't apply to him.

We've actually been in deeply, deeply unconstitutional territory multiple times in our history and the court either turned a blind eye to it or they were just flat out ignored. It can and will happen again.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The arguments are based around things like "property rights" and "moral hazard" and "public safety" instead of directly stating something like "You're life is forfeit if you ever go without a home long enough to look like you're homeless."

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Moral hazard

But porky knowingly causing a mass extinction event because 'muh shareholder value' ISN'T a moral hazard?

[–] D61@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Moral Hazard isn't some "10 Commandments" type of thing, its a rhetorical device.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

A moral hazard is just when removing (or mitigating) the consequences for some risky behavior makes the behavior more common, thus potentially resulting in more harm than leaving the consequence in place would have. The stock example is insurance: if I know that in the event of my house burning down, insurance will compensate me for any losses, maybe I'm more likely to be careless with my lighter, leading to my house being more likely to burn down.

In that sense, porky-happy causing a mass extinction in the name of shareholder value sort of is a moral hazard, because most capitalists are shielded from the direct harm associated with their actions, as those harms are exported to the global south and onto non-human species first.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Everyone just looks the other way

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[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There will be probable cause against anyone who is outdoors

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

Those old stories about black men having to keep cash in their pocket so they could tell the cops they were walking to the story, otherwise they'd be picked up for vagrancy and jailed (and used as slave labor)

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

America is going to have neo-fascism long before socialism.

[–] kusuriya 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

going to have? We had a literal failed revolution by a fascist and they are running for president again and are looking to have great odds for winning...

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's neither the first nor the most successful counterrevolution in this country's history. I suggest reading "The Counterrevolution of 1776".

[–] kusuriya 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah, reconstruction and it's liberalization were a doozy

[–] kusuriya 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But at least after the Civil War we went look if you were in charge of the confederacy maybe you don't get to hold a seat in government, so we had that going for us I suppose.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ehh they walked that back too with the end of the radical reconstruction and the institution of Jim Crow

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Yeah. The campaign of terror and guerilla warfare that ended reconstruction was really dark.

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

There is a genocidal fascist as president right now.

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[–] kusuriya 39 points 2 years ago

Where do I donate guns and ammunition to make it a fair fight?

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

"2021 analysis by the Prison Policy Initiative found that if Kentucky were a country, it would have the 7th highest incarceration rate in the world as a result of criminal policy decisions. Moreover, a study by the Vera Institute of Justice found that Kentucky’s jail and prison rates more than tripled from 1985 to 2018, because of the state’s dependence on criminalization as a means to address issues such as poverty, homelessness and addiction"

lol

[–] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

This country is a cruel fucking joke and I hate living in it. kitty-cri-texas

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My campaign slogan would be "Arm the homeless" but I wouldn't be campaigning I'd just be handing out weapons.

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It'd be campaign in the sense that Stalingrad was a campaign.

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[–] Moonworm@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Optimus_Subprime@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

This. This is why the US is called the Great Satan.

It spouts shit about Christianity and Christian values and then turns around and kills the poor and homeless. All for the love of fucking money.

Death to the US. Death to the Great Satan.

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