And some countries put canned corn on pizza and call it “American style” because Americans love corn.
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I was once in a Filipino grocery in L.A. and they had corn and cheese ice cream. I don't mean they had corn ice cream and they had cheese ice cream, I mean they had an ice cream flavor called "corn and cheese."
Filipino here, grew up with the stuff and never realized how weird it could be perceived as until now. It's more like a cheesy vanilla flavor with bits of corn.
We also have a creamy vanilla sort of popsicle with red mung beans in it that I suspect we got from the Chinese.
"cheesy vanilla flavor with bits of corn"
That is seriously not helping lol. I will concede though that it could be one of those things better tasting than you would imagine. Like the first time I tried the off the cob version of elote (Mexican Street corn.) A cup of hot corn with mayo, cheese, and chili powder? I thought it sounded bizarre at the time but holy shit - I ate the hell out of it and wanted more lol.
Combining different tastes and textures is a huge thing in Filipino cuisine. In the ice cream, the sweetness of the ice cream and corn is complemented (and arguably enhanced) by the saltiness of the cheese. The corn also provides a little crunch. I think it's that same combo in elote that makes it so good.
One of my favorite snacks from my childhood that I still enjoy to this day is green mango with bagoong (fermented shrimp paste). The green mango is crunchy and sour while the bagoong is salty with a good dose of umami.
I’d try it
In Japan, there's Vermont curry, which has a maple-syrup-y taste.
Vermont doesn't have a state curry.
Yup. You can get it in the USA at Asian grocery stores, and even in some American stores located in areas with large Asian populations. And it’s fucking delicious.
I'm more of a fan of the Japanese Golden curry, but that Vermont curry was way better than I expected.
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AAAAND it is inspired by north American Chinese food.
Inspired in part by his experience preparing Chinese dishes which commonly mix sweet and savory flavours,
And then the Hawaiians replaced the ham with spam.
Honesty that'd probably be better. Ham is so bland on pizza; it can't compete with the sauce. I always do pineapple and pepperoni. The spice from the pepperoni cuts through the sweetness really nicely.
That's why you need some nice smoked ham or honey roast or similar....agree though, most places just use most bland crap they can find cheap
Nah, swap the ham for some bacon. It can stand up to the sauce and the pineapple. And still technically ham.
Bacon, pineapple, and jalapeno is what's up
Add some jalaps to that and you have my favorite pizza.
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It gets even messier.
Modern tomato sauce used in pizza is a variation of the sauce in southern Italy. People were cultivating tomatoes there after they were introduced by Spain, that controlled both that region and the North American lands formerly controlled by the Aztec city-States (nowadays by Mexico).
Where are tomatoes from? South America. Yup. The lands are today Peru's and/or Ecuador's. Likely domesticated way before Cuzco/Inca expanded over the region. In the meantime, the pineapples being put over the pizza are from another region, the Paraná basin (currently controlled by Brazil and Paraguay).
Then you got the dough. Wheat was domesticated somewhere in the Fertile Crescent; I think that the lands currently controlled by Iraq should be a safe bet. In special, Eastern Rome (aka Byzantium) used to control Naples too, spreading πίτα/pita (a type of flat bread) again into the region. (I say "again" because the Aeneid already talks about pizza, in Republican times.)
Cows (for the cheese) were domesticated a bit further to the west, probably what's today controlled by Syria... well, at least one of the times, because you can almost hear haunting zebu moos from what's controlled now by Pakistan. (I believe that most domestic breeds should be a cross between both, with varied amounts of zebu x taurus. And perhaps a third stock from the Maghreb.)
I go to Italy often just to eat real Italian food. I understand that for Italians, the hawainana pizza is an aberration, like many other things if not cooked as they traditionally do. And I respect it, because it's a key part of their culture. Still, I have a right to eat and like whatever I want, so I also expect respect on that sense. Some people will do this and some others won't. I think it's a personal choice to decide respecting others opinions.
Traditional schmaditional. They never had tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, corn or a bunch of other things until Meso-America was ransacked.
Discovering that tomatoes were new world fruit really torpedoed any chance of me respecting Italian traditions
Well… a tradition’s gotta start sometime.
Look at that fucking Elf on the Fucking Shelf shit. It’s marketing tag on the box is (or was) “a tradition”.
Yeah. A tradition for ONE fucked up family who then cashed in HARD and forced their sick gaslighting on the gullible public. /rant
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They don't have to serve you what you want if it's not on the menu, they can try to accommodate if they really want but that's about it.
But if you don't have the ingredients they cannot really do that can they.
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Finally
That being said, I do enjoy it.
Just think, if you open your mind and let other cultures be your inspiration, you too could invent something as reviled and divisive as Hawaiian pizza.
Multiculturalism was a mistake.
This is why I can never hate on hawaiian pizza. It is a true-born Canadian pizza, birthed from these frozen wastes.
A fruit native to Brazil. We call it "pizza hawaii" in the Netherlands and it's tasty. Ananas, ham and cheese, perfection I say, pizza puritan snobs be damned.
I'm not too sure if pineapples are native from the lands currently controlled by Brazil, Paraguay, or both. The Amerindians farmed them quite a bit, so they spread even to to a chunk of North America; and the native range of a relative hints me that the genus originated further west.
That's just a guess though - the point is that nobody knows for sure.
I personally cannot stand pineapple on my pizza (despite wanting to like it). And really do not care what other people put on their food.
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I feel one day people will learn to appreciate Brazilian pizza. We're not in that time yet though.
The Germans seem to think they invented it. Order it in Sweden, and it'll come with bananas.
Don't forget the curry. The bananas always must come with curry, but the cardamom goes in the pastries.
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Pizza is American. They perfected it and deserves the full credit. Italians can cry with their hands.
Describing American pizza and Italian pizza as being the same thing is imperialism
Aeneas and his chiefs,
with fair Iulus, under spreading boughs
of one great tree made resting-place, and set
the banquet on. Thin loaves of altar-bread
along the sward to bear their meats were laid
(such was the will of Jove), and wilding fruits
rose heaping high, with Ceres' gift below.
Soon, all things else devoured, their hunger turned
to taste the scanty bread, which they attacked
with tooth and nail audacious, and consumed
both round and square of that predestined leaven.
“Look, how we eat our tables even!” cried
Iulus, in a jest.
This is from a translation of the Aeneid, published in 19 BCE.
and this is from Pompeii, buried in 79 CE.
Pizza is at the very least Roman, if not older. (Potentially Greek.)
And before someone mentions tomatoes, pizza bianca is a thing.
Admittedly it doesn't take much creative thinking to come up with the idea of "bread with stuff on it".
It'd be pretty different from what we think of as pizza today though with no tomatoes or mozzarella.
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