I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate : politicalmemes

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The rest of that MLK Jr quote (part of a longer letter).

, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, the full quote is even better.

Fuck centrists.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 18 points 2 years ago

This is why MLK is the only non-violent activist I can stand.

At least he cared

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Shipping lanes are unironically more important than the Gaza genocide, the global shipping industry supports billions through food and fertilizer cargo.

Obviously the US needs to stop giving weapons to a genocidal regime, but acting surprised that they're more keen on protecting freedom of navigation just shows ignorance.

[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I just thought at least one of the comments on your thread should be positive. I agree with your statements :)

[+] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Here we have the moderate I was referring to.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, there's not much we can actually do.

It's not so much people care more, it's that rich people care more about losing money. Disrupted shipping costs the rich game points (aka $€£). They also have the ear, (and purse strings) of the elected officials.

I've been watching the shit the Israeli government etc (I try not to lump the Israeli people in with their psychos in charge) have been doing, for 20 years. I've yet to figure out what can actually be done to help the situation.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Speaking out is the best. Many people has been blinded by media showing Israel as: 1) legitimate state, 2) only democracy in the middle east, 3) great allies of the west, 4) only option for jew to live safely, 5) great tech and security, 6) only trying to portect itself.

Newer generation who can open wikipedia and read about it, see genocide unfolding in social media are able to learn the truth. So speaking out and educating people about past and current massacres is the best a powerleas person can do.

For example, massacres commited by Irgun and Haganah usually don't show up when you look for massacres committed by Israel eventhough both dissolved into current IDF and the current ruling party.

These people didn't attack only the Palestinians but also the British officials as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war?wprov=sfla1

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Damn good comment

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I've been trying. Unfortunately 20 years for no real gain gets demoralising. I've seen what Mossad can do first and 2nd hand. Small and peaceful groups infiltrated and disrupted. I've seen the footage of an aid ship being fired upon for no reason (the whole crew was on the top deck, with hands visible, as requested).

Given what I've seen, I fully understand what Hamas did (I don't agree, but understand, and can't think of a better option they should have taken).

At this point, I'm tired and jaded. If someone has a viable way to push forward a fix, I'd be up and helping, unfortunately I'm tired of spitting into the wind for no gain.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Lacking a cohesive social movement, we can only watch it play out, and educate ourselves on what needs to be done to pick up the pieces, unfortunately.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is demanding that America stop funneling weapons to Israel a moderate stance? Because that's what I said. Is there a specific part of my comment you take issue with or are you just gonna wave your hands and act fed up?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Shipping lanes are unironically more important than the Gaza genocide,

No, they are not. People dying is way more important than oil and consumer goods.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

14.5% of global food and fertilizer shipments transited the Suez in 2018. Higher shipping cost and delays on these goods means real food insecurity problems for millions of people. It's not just oil and plastic toys being moved through there.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Then free Palestine from Israel’s grasp, and the Houthi’s will stop. You want to stop a hypothetical genocide and allow a real one. That’s fucked up.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So which genocide(s) do you support? Israelis genociding Gazans? Saudis and Americans genociding Houthis? Iranians, Houthi's and Gazans genociding Israelis? Which shipping lane(s) are (un)important to your genocide of choice?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All shipping lane lives matter. /s

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why not both? Stop the genocide in Gaza and protect the Red Sea shipments which include food, medicine and equipment many in need depend on. What's with this either or shit. Do both.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Global gas prices and shipping times are the two supply lines you don't fuck with durring a war because that just attracts the great eye of ~~Sauron~~ NATO. Genocide is A-OK though. I'm pretty sure that's written in the art of war somewhere.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I absolutely agree with your post. The priority and urgency is off balanced.

I'd argue that the shipping issue is a much more solvable solution, which is why more folks jumped into help it. Compared to the mess that is Gaza.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Important distinction to be made here though: Would these factors impact someone important, like for example me or... me?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Exactly.

[+] theodewere@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's them dang foreigners I tells ya!!

[–] theodewere@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

you can be a troll just like him, it's no skin off my nose, slick.. don't feel like i'm discriminating against you just because you're a troll..

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right, your country is perfect and it's just trolls that are the problem.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i don't need a perfect country to recognize a troll

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are your criteria to recognize a troll?

[–] theodewere@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago

inane questions and bad memes

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Oh yes, because China loves disrupted shipping routes.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cope. So you’re saying MLK was wrong about moderates/ liberals?

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i'm saying you wouldn't use anything he said for anything else

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago

? The quote fits. Liberals are more concerned with keeping the status quo, than saving lives.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Semi-related: this is one of the best moments in Community for witty dialogue.

[+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago

Look at her "I'm an American acting" face! Textbook.

[+] ale@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Your title is very silly. Do you think the situation would be better or worse with a fascist, white supremacy in charge?

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Well if it isn't the person Dr King was talking about

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here's the full letter from a Birmingham jail.

[–] ale@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks. I hadn't read it before.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

It's a quote by Martin Luther King.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.

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