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Turns out tankies don't care about Muslims when there are boots that need licking (media.kbin.social)

submitted 2 years ago by PugJesus@kbin.social to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yeah, but a tankie send me an essay of words with words in them and when I asked for a source they send me a link with words which led to more sites with words on it and when I hit the original source I reached a YouTube video where some dude talking out of his ass about CIA doing the crimes and there are no crimes but when there are it was CIA but there are no other crime doers then Muslims they deserve what is happening to them which is nothing but if then it is CIA.

Amazing.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Obscurantism is a favorite tool of tankies, along with blatant denials of reality and conspiratorial thinking. Almost like they're far-right goons same as any MAGA bootlicker, just painted a slightly different shade of red.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

The thing to remember with all authoritarians. Is that they aren't realistically left or right. They will use whatever means they think they can to maintain control and power. If they think moving in a more socialist direction. Will have people acquiesce and cooperate while still giving them plenty of wealth and power. They will 100% do that. We've seen it in the USSR, we've seen it in China, we've seen it in North Korea. Or they can go capitalist/fascistic as the United States has done for 100 years or so.

Hypocrisy isn't a flaw to them. It is a tool to be used heavily.

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago

And don't forget all the emojis and gifs! They'll post them at you in droves!

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

And only the redscarers mistakenly use CCP its CPC totally not like the CCCP which is bad except when it's good and Putin is the moral successor of the completely justified pograms against the bourjwasee.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Terrorist are evil

i support any bideninist or tankist or communist who takes a stand against evil and terrorism

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Cultural Genocide is wrong. -someone who has been called a tankie alot.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are certainly people who misuse the term. Only bootlickers for authoritarian regimes painted a thin coat of red are tankies.

[+] Grayox@lemmy.ml -13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I do support a dictatorship of the Prolitariat as a necessary step if achieving true Communism, dont get me wrong.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, but being a Tankie isn't liking communism, it is saying that the Soviet Union did nothing wrong in Hungary in 1956.

[+] Grayox@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes that's the OG definition, but as of late it has become a catch all for people anywhere left of classical lib.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Disagree. Maybe as used by right wing folks but it’s definitely used to describe apologists of authoritarian regimes claiming to be communist, ie China and Russia.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Hence my usage of "as of late"

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It depends where, but I've only really seen it said on Lemmy in discussions regarding international relations and my time on Reddit has been significantly reduced.

I have also seen a lot of people on Lemmy who are obvious tankies argue that it is a slur against communist supporters rather than a specific criticism about tribalism, realpolitik, and internal imperialism engaged by communist countries.

It is in the vested interest of tankies to change the meaning of the word.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It is used as a slur against unapologetic socialists and communists sometimes, although actual tankies would like to pretend it's only a slur and not descriptive of Stalinists.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you mean that in the original Marxist sense, where a dictatorship of the proletariat is contrasted to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie - ie that it is referring to the domination of one class over the structures of democratic government rather than a literal autocratic or oligarchic regime? Or the ML sense where it means "Everyone obeys the Party Line, please ignore who controls the Party"?

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The classic Marxist sense, although i think Lenin's ideology was necessary for a successful revolution to occur in his time. The Party went down hill majorly when Stalin took over instead of Trotsky.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm down. I understand support of Lenin, even if I personally disagree and side more with the SRs, and have sympathies for the Makhnovists. Post-Lenin is when it gets truly gruesome.

[–] Jonna@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Eh, I think Trotsky and Lenin have some responsibility. While I am in full support of October (and Leninists ideology), I think the Bolshevik repression of the 20-21 strike wave was a troubling development demonstrating separation between the party and the class. (Kronstadt began in sympathy with that strike wave.) Then in the 10th Party Congress, the Workers Opposition took up some of the workers demands and pushed a program to keep party and state separate. They urged union control of the economy and democracy. In response, Trotsky argued that unions would no longer be necessary at all! Even Lenin thought that was going too far. But this is when democracy came under attack even within the party and factions were formerly banned.

Here is the text of the Workers Opposition manifesto. https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1921/workers-opposition/index.htm

The text was banned in Soviet Russia in March of 1921, by resolution of the 10th Congress of the Communist Party. The headings, "individual or collective management" and "bureaucracy and self activity of the masses" seem prescient.

Trotsky became a champion of democracy a little late, only after methods of repression he himself used were turned against him.

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh don’t worry. People say a lot of dumb things. I have been called a „atheist communist jew“ once. Followed by „catholic nazi“. Come to think of it, that would make a killer plot for a action movie.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are they fighting in that movie? Or is it one, incredibly conflicted individual coping with existence? Could be an action flick or introspective philosophy piece

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I was thinking of a time travelling Jean-Claude van Damme who fights against himself.

[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

"Split", but with a chance of being half decent.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At first I thought using the term “tankies” was similar to how rednecks call the left “libs.” Mostly it was because I didn’t understand the term.

Then I asked what it meant.

Once I knew what it meant- I was determined to stay out of it. I didn’t really have a dog in that race as I didn’t have much of an opinion either way.

Then I came here and saw first-hand the sheer lunacy from those people.

I call them tankies now.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, the Marxists Leninist are the problem, not the conservative MAGA ghouls that want to enslave women and children… smh 🤦‍♀️

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Problem is the so-called tankies don’t even distinguish between MAGA people in the US and US liberals or Democrats - to them, they’re both “Liberals” as in neoliberals, and for some reason they rarely criticize US conservatives while spending plenty of time criticizing US Democrats. Doesn’t make much sense from their supposed point of view.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

TokenBoomer is a tankie bootlicker. Ignore them. Their only interest is in sobbing "Why won't the socdems work with us???" while simultaneously saying that socdems and fascists are the exact same thing.

"Left unity" to tankies means "Lick out boots until we put a bullet in your head". Obey the party line!

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd be amazed if this person actually lived in the US.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I, unfortunately, do. So, enjoy the amazement.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll believe it when I bump into you at the grocery store and apologize for not being communist enough.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, you admit you don’t believe in communism. How did I know?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't say that though. I said not communist enough as I doubt that I'd pass the ideological purity test of thinking that anything short of perfection may as well be MAGA.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I stand corrected. You do want to replace capitalism with socialism. You passed the test.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks. I'm glad we're getting along.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don’t agree that fascism is capitalism in decay? Why shouldn’t I want to work with groups that want to prevent another Trump presidency?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The issue isn't with wanting to work together - that's the key point you're missing. It's the way left-leaning Americans are lumped in with complete fascists, like it's either 100% good or "You're a LIBERAL just like Republicans!" (meaning neoliberal, which is also confusing af in American political terms).

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I’m glad you understand. Education is liberation.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you’re anti-capitalist, Republicans and Democrats are the same. And they criticize both, but…

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice

Martin Luther King, Jr.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I realize their perspective is purely economic issues. However, it completely overlooks the vast difference on social issues and the fact that MAGA wants to institute a more harsh form of capitalism, plus theocratic dictatorship. Seems like a worthy distinction to me. Plus, that doesn’t explain why they’re so hot to criticize people like Biden and Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton but don’t say jack shit about the various Trump supporting clowns prominent in US politics.

Yes, thanks for the MLK quote but not sure why you thought I needed to read that again right now.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t need you to read it, I need you to understand it. MLK was writing about people like Biden, Hillary and Warren, who are more concerned with rules and order than justice. Trump and MAGA are the KKK. We know what they are.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, the socially liberal lite socialists are the problem, not the conservative MAGA ghouls that want to enslave women and children… smh 🤦‍♀️

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

The problem is liberals attacking tankies, who they need to work with to counter the fascism of Trump and conservatives. I want liberals and leftists to work together, but some are so hellbent on purity tests that they fail to see the big picture. Anarchists and Marxists Leninists should know that to ultimately defeat fascism, you have to dismantle capitalism.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago

Ah r/EnoughCommieSpam, fighting the good fight. /s