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At least eight people have been diagnosed with measles in an outbreak that started last month in the Philadelphia area. The most recent two cases were confirmed on Monday.

The outbreak began after a child who'd recently spent time in another country was admitted to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) with an infection, which was subsequently identified as measles. The Philadelphia Department of Public Health considers the case to be "imported" but did not say from where.

The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.

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[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 163 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Isn’t this criminal negligence?

Being told by a medical professional to quarantine and wantonly ignoring it is a lot like your mechanic telling you not to drive a car and you doing it anyway.

I don’t see why the family shouldn’t be held to account for every single infection they started by sending their kid to day care.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Except who will arrest them? The cops won't enforce mask or quarantine mandates. COVID fucked all that up.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just say that the kid had a mental breakdown. The cops will come in pronto and shoot the dog.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

They'll bring about 10 to 20 more people if you say he has marijuana or mushrooms too!

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 38 points 2 years ago

Covid didn't fuck it up. Stupid conservatives did that.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If the government truly wants to enforce a quarantine, they can. Remember when the Ebola scare was a thing? I know someone who was caught up in that; They were required to do thrice daily temperature checks, and the CDC would randomly call a landline they set up, around ten times a day. On those calls, they had to report any potential symptoms for every single person in the household. The CDC made it very clear that if they didn’t answer the phone, the feds were coming inside with hazmat gear to verify they hadn’t snuck out. It was basically house arrest without the ankle monitors.

They had to have a very awkward conversation with their boss about it, because they were working as a lowly retail worker at the time. It was basically “hey uhh… You’ve seen the Ebola stuff in the news right? Yeah, I won’t be able to come in for a little while, because the feds say I’ll be arrested if I leave my house.”

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 131 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Will the family of the child face any consequences? I'd be very angry if my son was infected and they knew all along. Like looking for revenge angry!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 113 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The part where the parent refused medication that can prevent infection is awful too. Can you imagine being so against medicine that you both risk your child's life and risk leaving your child without a parent?

[–] Granite@kbin.social 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

They believe in medicine to some degree if they were already at the hospital.

Edit: like those covidiots who only went in after the horse dewormer failed

[–] mars296@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't understand why they would go to the hospital and then not accept the treatment. For a diagnosis? How can they trust the diagnosis if they don't trust the treatment?

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In the case of COVID at least, they went because they were literally drowning in their own mucus and didn’t have a choice. They only started refusing things when they woke up enough to be delusional again.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Some went, only for that reasons.

Others got real scared and "repented" and cried and said it was awful and the worst thing they'd ever encountered and they hoped no one else would ever get it and they were fucking dying and sadness.

Then some died.

Some got better. Of the ones that got better, some genuinely learned something. Others, like Trump, continued to spew hateful, stupid shit despite realizing it sucked. Others learned absolutely nothing. I'm not sure which is worse.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not enough to not risk their child or themselves.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Lord Farquad energy.

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[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

At the very least CPS better be involved. I would definitely hope they take your child away if you'd risk your health, the child's health, and the health of other children like that.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 10 points 2 years ago

Yup, they'll get to run for Congress, probably.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 102 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sending a child with a highly infectious disease that is as dangerous and potentially deadly as measles into a day care should be held accountable. This is reckless endangerment of other peoples' lives.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The parents and the child were unvaccinated and the parents refused medication. I'd hazard a guess that they're on that anti-vax esoteric shit.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hopefully DCFS can investigate them then. They are endangering not just the lives of their own child but others too. I would be livid if I was a parent and these idiots got my kid sick.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Agreed. It would be nice if people weren't so pressured to go to work for money that they could take care of children rather than feeling like you need to abandon them for a job. I'm not saying they did this. But over 3/4 of my sick days last year was to take of my kid. And when I had COVID, I was out and the statutes to pay me were gone.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is why it's very important to think fiscally when deciding to have a baby. Those things are damn pricy!

[–] SapphironZA@lemmings.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's also very important to vote carefully before deciding to have a baby. In most 1st world countries, you get a few family responsibilities leave days a year, that an employer cannot deny.

Under law in those countries, you are a parent first and an employee second. That comes with privileges and responsibilities.

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[–] flipht@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

This is a very nuanced issue, and I won't be able to explain my thoughts without someone whatabouting it.

And while you're right, it is absolutely insane that we blame individuals for the exploitive nature of society.

Kids are expensive because businesses realized they could charge whatever for everything and then run ad campaigns about how bad of a parent you are for not buying their product or service. Simultaneously cutting every public, infrastructural component that used to support parents.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If any subsequent children die due to this outbreak, charge the parents that sent the sick child to daycare with murder.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

...and apparently did not get the kid vaccinated and refused medication.

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[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Or charge them with reckless endangerment now and tack on manslaughter charges later.

Regardless of if anyone dies, they put others at risk by not quarantining. I don't view this as any different than waving a gun around in public. They should be prosecuted for endangering others.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

SSPE will fuck up your brain, you do not want measles spreading, get your vaccine if you're due for it.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately my wife cannot get the MMR vaccine. She essentially has to quarantine whenever there is a case in the area.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Ooof, they got the expensive disease. Measles ruins your immune system, which takes ages to rebuild. In a British study studying religious antivaxxers vs vaccinated children, there was a much higher cost incurred per child for years, lol. They got a lot sicker a lot more often and needed more prescriptions because of what measles did to them.

Measles is crazy infectious too, it's basically like the Flood pathogen from Halo. Getting it in your brain really bumps up chances of dying. Luckily the MMR vaccine gives you lifelong immunity, especially with two shots. So it's mostly just an anti-vaxxer penalty these days. Too bad we almost eliminated it if not for them.

https://youtu.be/y0opgc1WoS4?si=RP7W1uainbdzKc6m

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

I actually had measles as a kid. My parents hadn't gotten me vaccinated when they were supposed to not out of any antivaxx nonsense but regular old neglect.

Lemme tell you. Whoever catches it? Highly unlikely they'll be antivaxx after that. Measles is probably the worst thing that ever happened to me and it's the reason I was the first in line every time I was eligible for a covid vaccine. Me and the old ladies who remembered polio needed absolutely zero convincing.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Can we deport these deplorables yet? They're uncivilized and a burden on the tax payer funded system.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Deport to where? Who would even take them?

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Florida, then fence the entire state off and write it off as a total loss

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People just don’t care about others anymore.

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who do these people work for? Their sick day policies bear a lot of the blame.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Maybe, but a lot of people go to work when slightly sick despite their company having a good policy.

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[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I know this isn't the point, but I'll never get over that something as big and expensive as world class hospital could be built and they named it "chop". No one said anything?

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[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Yeah it sucks the family ignored the quarantine orders, I agree. Maybe they should be held liable for that.

What concerns me more, and what we should be talking about, is that the kid shows up at the hospital and two other patients contact the disease. At the hospital.

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health. This along with other hospital borne illness and the insane amount of preventable deaths from medical negligence should concern all of us.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Measles is incredibly infectious, it's why we eradicated it in the first place. Plus there are rules to follow in a hospital waiting room specifically designed to avoid that.

But it relies on people actually following rules, and we can assume someone that didn't vaccinate or follow quarantine procedure is not a big fan of following "meaningless" rules. And meaningless to them is any rule they don't understand. Unfortunately they actively try to understand as little as possible so no one can accuse them of being the very scariest word to them right now, "woke".

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The most infectious we've encountered and recorded.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Waiting rooms are the worst. I'm so glad we finally have the technology to allow us to check in from home and completely avoid waiting rooms.

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[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health.

Being in a place where sick people are is a threat to your health. Sick people go to the hospital. What do you think the hospital is for?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I ask that you rethink this direction.

Hospitals, and people who are trying to save lives, should not be held responsible for the negligence of the ignorant few.

They spend a lot of time, money, and training on preventing Hospital Acquired ID, but they can only prevent so much. Sometimes it's due to negligence, but they can't restrain a child in a waiting room, they can't stop 100℅ of spread. Without knowing the facts of the case (which they are surely reviewing), please don't jump to blame.

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[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Contrary to popular belief, the hospital is not a completely sanitary place.

Rather, it's a place they try their absolute hardest to keep as sanitary as possible because they don't want the healthy people (doctors, nurses, visitors, etc.) to get sick and because they don't want the sick people (patients) to get even more sick.

Germs can unfortunately slip through the cracks even if every procedure is followed to the letter. There are times where they break procedure either on purpose or by accident (and doctors and hospitals can be put on the hook, legally, for those times), but this doesn't seem to be one of those times given what we know right now.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

There’s a lot that could be better about my home country, such as the weather, but I am thankful for mandatory vaccinations. I know many of my stupid relatives who wouldn’t have gotten their vaccine if it wasn’t mandated.

Some things shouldn’t be left to the “wisdom of the masses”.

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