"Appears to show" like it's not a video and not something that happens every day.
this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2024
326 points (94.1% liked)
World News
48938 readers
1809 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
But it does appear that way. And they probably didn’t get any “real” confirmation that the video is real.
I get it, I just think it's a bit weasel-y when people describe video footage that way. Like were they provoked? Did they kill one? It's not that complicated.
Israel said they were "kneeling to light a Molotov cocktail" and so it wasn't unprovoked. Problems are a) no Molotov cocktail in the clip and b) they shot someone else first, not the person kneeling. So let's put on our fucking Sherlock hats and solve this mystery oh wow I wonder whatever could have happened
"An IDF spokesperson said he was kneeling to light a molotov"
Every single word in there is a lie. Wow.
Nader told the AP that the object was a stack of cardboard boxes and scraps of paper that 17-year-old Osaid Rimawi had gathered and was preparing to light to keep the men warm.
Pretty fucked up
Aljazeera also just released this video of the IDF Nazis shooting civilians fleeing on the "safe route" https://youtu.be/qGsy2xTXpfY
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/qGsy2xTXpfY
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The fatal shooting in the village of Beit Rima last week is the latest in a series of incidents in which soldiers appeared to fire without provocation, a trend Palestinians say has worsened since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza three months ago.
After reviewing the footage, a military spokesperson said soldiers reported that one of the Palestinians — visible kneeling in front of an object just outside the frame — was igniting a Molotov cocktail when he was shot.
Nader told the AP that the object was a stack of cardboard boxes and scraps of paper that 17-year-old Osaid Rimawi had gathered and was preparing to light to keep the men warm.
Other videos of the shooting posted to social media and reviewed by AP appear consistent with Nader’s description of the object Osaid was preparing to light.
Human rights groups have previously presented cases in which soldiers opened fire without their lives being in danger, in apparent violation of the military’s rules of engagement.
The Hamas attack prompted Israel to wage a blistering air and ground campaign on the Gaza Strip that has killed over 23,000 people — and to tighten its grip on the West Bank through near-nightly, often deadly, raids.
The original article contains 1,313 words, the summary contains 206 words. Saved 84%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
Appears?
At the extreme left of the video you can see a man in the middle of the road kneel down to light something on fire. The men contend that it was a pile of cardboard they wanted to burn for warmth. The Israeli's counter that it was a Molotov cocktail.
It doesn't look like a Molotov cocktail, but personally I don't buy the "warmth" story. Who lights cardboard on fire in the street for warmth? I think a far more likely scenario, given the men knew Israeli soldiers were nearby and didn't leave while others did, is that they were attempting to show some resistance by burning shit. This pissed off the Israeli's, who shot at them.
Seems like murder given the lack of an immediate threat.
The desert is pretty cold at night. Lighting trash on fire for warmth is credible.
Not that anything justifies killing, but were they trying to set something on fire? Again, this would not justify anything.
Cardboard. For warmth. Because the Israeli government has taken away the electricity and fuel they'd otherwise use.
don't light fires when the nazguls are about
Yes - a pile of something in the middle of the road.
The youths said it was a pile of cardboard and paper to help keep them warm. Admittedly, it was around 10°C (50°F) over the last few nights at 2am.
As others have said, a like of wood and paper form warmth. The important part though is the person kneeling to light that on fire was not shot first, someone else standing nearby was killed. Then two other people running to the victims aid where then shot. When one of those guys trys to crawl away he gets shot again. Then when the IDF troops get there, they don't seem to give a shit about the pile of wood/paper, they just look at they guy they killed, kick one of the wounded guys on the ground, and then leave without providing any aid.
The IDF's story is they thought the guy lighting the pile was lighting a moltov cocktail. Bullshit, but even if so, why not shoot that guy doing the lighting instead of just some other random nearby guy? Or how do the guys coming to the first guys aid pose any kind of threat?
What's really fucked is nothing will come of this. Just another dead Palestinian.
Jesus I couldn't bring myself to keep watching. They didn't have their medic provide aid? That's a war crime all on it's own.
They didn’t have their medic provide aid?
Why would you help the guy you explicitly, unprovokedly tried to kill?
In a normal engagement (as normal as combat gets at any rate) you would absolutely provide aid, even to enemy fighters. Once you get up to them and they're out of combat you're responsible for them under international law.
No no I meant: These people weren't in combat and were shot anyway. Intentionally. The monsters who shot them wanted them dead, so it makes a sick kind of sense that they wouldn't provide them aid after the fact.
Yeah, it does. It definitely puts the cap on any question as to their motives.
Deserts get really cold at night, especially in the winter.