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Former president sidestepped signing state’s loyalty oath, which opponents Nikki Haley and Chris Christie also have not signed

Joe Biden’s 2024 election campaign has lambasted former president and most likely Republican opponent Donald Trump for failing to sign a loyalty oath in the state of Illinois, in which candidates pledge against advocating an overthrow of the government.

The Biden campaign was responding to an investigation by Illinois news outlets WBEZ and the Chicago Sun-Times, which reported that Trump sidestepped signing the McCarthy era voluntary pledge that is part of the midwestern state’s package of ballot-access paperwork submitted by 2024 electoral candidates last week.

That omission came days before the third anniversary of the January 6 insurrection, for which Trump has been indicted for his alleged role in efforts to overturn Biden’s 2020 election victory. It’s a departure from 2016 and 2020, when Trump signed the voluntary oath.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 63 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don't sign = don't get on the ballot.

Seems simple to me.

It's the

[ ] I am not a terrorist

And these fools refuse to check the box

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Apparently the pledge has to be optional per a court case that ruled it is a free speech violation to make it a requirement.

[–] SheeEttin@programming.dev 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You know, there's a question on security clearance paperwork that asks if you've ever done anything for violent overthrow of the government, which is definitely not an optional question. Funny that it's optional for even more important positions.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

America's justice system is a mess. :/

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So he couldn't be bothered to sign a pretend pledge to not overthrow the government? Did we finally find the thing that he wouldn't lie about?

[–] withnail 7 points 2 years ago

Why should he lie about it though? His superfans actually want him to become a dictator.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doesn’t he usually love breaching contracts though.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He does, and also, didn’t we get you already?

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It takes more than two bullets in the back of the head before cutting me up into little pieces and stuffing my remains into a suitcase to kill me.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure if you’re Majin Buu or if this is a Herman Cain situation.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

Herman Munster

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He does and you did. I saw it and I'm gonna blow this whole thing wide open!

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 years ago

The Fartographer saves the day once again!

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Very interesting how a McCarthy-era thing can suddenly become useful.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We begin where we ended

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I know you're being sarcastic, but I'd like to list all of the positive things to come from McCarthyism:

  • ...

Thank you for attending my TedTalk

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wasn't being sarcastic. This "I won't try to overthrow the US government" pledge was aimed at Communists in McCarthyism, and here it tells us something important, since Trump did sign it the last two times he ran, and declined to this time.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Sorry, I was trying to do one of those "oh, I thought they were being serious for a second there," kind of bits and instead just made my whole gag confusing. You are absolutely right, though.

[–] SheeEttin@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago
  • that one bit in The Manchurian Candidate (1962) making fun of McCarthy
[–] theodewere@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

his signature is worthless in any case, and he wouldn't ever keep an oath to anyone but himself

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

One thing I can agree with him on. Stupid and useless loyalty pledge that goes further than what the headlines state.

[–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

USA democracy is in a big doo-doo if it depends on candidates signing pledges to avoid being overthrown

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So if USA does break into two parts, how does it work? Seems like the east and west would be aligned with each other, but are not geographically connected. Would they be separate (so 3 parts in total) or still one? Or would there be an inevitable civil war that would bring it to just 1 eventually?

[–] SheeEttin@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It won't. Last time a group tried to secede, we went to war.

And dumb racist shitheels lost then too