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I was wondering if your body gets whatever is considers the "low hanging fruit" first and would remove visceral fat last.

If so are there targeted diets for that specific fat?

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[–] spiffy_spaceman@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No. You cannot target areas to lean out. This also holds for exercise: doing sit-ups will not burn the fat off your abs. The fat will also not necessarily come off evenly. Sometimes it does, sometimes the saddlebags stay until the bitter end even when your ribs are clearly visible. Genetics does play a role, but it can be dealt with.

(I'm a trainer and physiologist and helping people to lose fat is something I do.)

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's true that doing sit-ups won't help you target your belly fat, but it does make your abdominal muscles stronger and more able to keep your belly from protruding, so in effect it can make your belly look much flatter even without losing the fat.

[–] spiffy_spaceman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agree: for most people, the beer gut is more pronounced because of the laxity of the front abs (also causing a hyper extended spine which causes back pain), it's not all just fat. So, proper training and strengthening of the abs will help pull those things back in line, but won't do much for burning off fat.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

also causing a hyper extended spine which causes back pain

I'm a massage therapist for context. If I had a dollar for every client I've had that I wish I could tell "Your back would feel better if you had any strength in your abs and something more than a Hank Hill ass" I'd be able to afford a very long vacation

[–] johnlobo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

so they do whatever?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s different for everyone. There’s no real way to control it, and anyone telling you otherwise is full of it.

Not by diet or by exercise.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Well, the can also harden and mold said fat now.

Looks weird as hell, though.

[–] RyruGrr@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

BS Biology, former ISSA trainer: The simple answer is - fat mobilizes globally, prioritized by access to circulation. The last 3.5% of body fat is brown adipose, which you can't lose, but if you could, you'd die from hypothermia.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why hypothermia? I thought fat is needed for hormones to work correctly and going below 4% will deregulate your entire system.

[–] RyruGrr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

You kind of answered your own question. There are a lot of conditions and feedbacks needed for stasis. As any are pushed to or beyond their limits, a cascade occurs, having catastrophic effects. Body temp regulation is one of the most dire, as we can't survive for long below a certain temp. Regarding that, burn victims can actually die from hypothermia if not treated immediately following 3rd degree burns, due to the amount of fat and skin cells lost to burns. I hope some of this made sense. I'm digging deep to remember, but it's been a while. Cheers

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Usually on diets where you go from a carb heavy regimen to less carbs:

  • first you lose water weight as electrolytes start to balance due to the change in insulin levels

  • the body removes fat from organs as first priority (sometimes called visceral fat). The body does not want to store fat in organs, but it does so only if it can't put fat anywhere else. Once you start to lose weight it comes from here first.

  • then we are at generalized weight loss, which is different for everyone.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Source on carb count making a difference?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The body spends "easy" energy first (carbohydrates) and resort to burning fat when it really has to

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Thats a myth, here are some videos by a guy with a PhD, any sort of calorie deficit will result in fat being burned, unless you manage to break the laws of physics and create energy from nothing.

https://youtu.be/ot8Q8YceRNo?si=Lu7XR1DFNPnKcCft

https://youtu.be/YkKbFJFOLjI?si=8QN--4A3EKPHEYpe

https://youtu.be/yTSJuzE0XsA?si=YVkqnU_mi4RZZ97O

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

calorie deficit

Eating enough carbohydrates to cover your energy need isn't a deficit. I meant what I said, the body uses what it has available but prefers "easy" sources

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i have no idea what are you talking about at this point, the question was if there is a way to target weight/fatloss, there isn't one.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That wasn't what I was talking about.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

well thanks for your off topic contribution then I guess.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They were talking about going from carb heavy, to carb light, which is how most people cut calories. They aren't going "man I really ate too much steak yesterday!" They're thinking about that candy bar or that donut they had. Carbs are burned by your body first as you eat them because they're the easiest for your body to process.

They simply outlined the stages of what that type of dietary change usually looks like. Most useful information? Maybe not, but they aren't contributing nothing.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Op asked about targeting visceral fat, talking about random stuff doesnt contribute to that

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/keto

Here's a good summary article, hover over any of the circles in the article to see the scientific sources

If you prefer just the data this is a better article

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/for-doctors

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No source there for lowcarb lowering visceral fat first

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Any fat loss should come from your organs first. The only reason fat is stored in your organs is because your body is unable to store it any other place.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

fat loss should come your organs first.

I think OP asked for information not guesses

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=visceral+fat+loss+on+keto&btnG=

You're a very negative person, it's very difficult to have a conversation with you. You ask implicit questions, and then get angry when people answer the question to the best of their ability but wasn't what you intended.

Keto has no bearing on the loss on visceral other than it helps people lose fat. In any circumstance where your body has an opportunity to reduce fat, it comes out of the organs first. Because fat in the organs is extremely unhealthy.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Calorie deficit helps people lose fat has nothing to do with Keto, you can gain weight in Keto too

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You can somewhat target certain types of fat if you're a heavy drinker and stop drinking.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Especially soda. Men literally drop pounds after stopping within weeks.

[–] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Depends on your DNA AFAIK and you can’t really decide

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago
[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It is to some extent a last in, first out inventory system. So if you only recently put on weight in the middle then yes likely you will lose that first.

If you only/mostly have excess fat in your belly, yes you will lose more of that, but no, you can't for example keep the fat on your boobs and ass and lose it only in your belly. No.