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Multiple news articles are reporting that this aircraft had its post-production certification only two months ago. For a problem of this magnitude to develop in such a short time is very disconcerting.
this post was submitted on 06 Jan 2024
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This article says cert in Nov, entered service in Dec, and had 145 flights. This was #146.
Holy heck if this is true.
Just to be clear, US domestic, major carrier flying is still staggeringly safe compared to essentially all other means of travel. The NTSB is not messing around and Boeing will have a lot to explain and answer for and the issue will be corrected.
Even in this exceptional case, nobody was injured.
Also, I hate Boeing as much as the next guy, but with how complex any aviation accident sequence is, I'm inclined to withhold finger pointing until the investigation concludes or at the very least a good amount of information has been released. I support grounding the planes for safety during the investigation, and I also support criticism and scrutiny of Boeing in general since they definitely deserve both, but to say this specific case was definitely Boeing's fault at this stage is being premature.
And it's not like Alaska Airlines has never caused an air accident through shoddy maintenance of otherwise soundly designed aircraft. They should absolutely not get a pass until their involvement is definitively ruled out by evidence.
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Thank you. This needs to be further up in the comments
Jesus christ the Max has been a clownshow of one problem after another
The entire world around you that you take for granted is built down to a price. Barely anybody makes things to be good, most make things to make money, and when it comes to potentially dangerous things, the risk of harm or loss of life is factored into profit. "How many people can we kill before we are forced to shut this down or spend money to make it better?"
Beware when putting trust in human-created technology. I bet there's more than one engineer in here who wanted to design something the right way, but was then forced to cut some corners by a bean counter. It's everywhere.
Giving an example from my wheelhouse, there are stories of managers going around to engineer's prototype PCBs and snipping off decoupling capacitors one by one until the device barely functions in a stable manner. The manager then declares that that is the appropriate amount of capacitors. Also, if you want a quick heart attack, just take apart any cheap Amazon phone charger and examine it.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Alaska Airlines grounded its fleet of Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft on Friday after a flight operated by the airline made an emergency landing at Portland International Airport in Oregon that evening because of a midair pressure problem that passengers said blew out a chunk of the fuselage.
As yellow oxygen masks dangled above their heads, a powerful wind tore through a gaping hole that showed the night sky and the city lights below.
Her friend Elizabeth Le, 20, said she had also heard “an extremely loud pop.” When she looked up, she saw a large hole on the wall of the plane about two or three rows away, she said.
In 2018, Lion Air Flight 610, a 737 Max 8, crashed into the ocean off the coast of Indonesia, killing all 189 passengers and crew members.
Less than five months later in 2019, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashed shortly after leaving Ethiopia’s capital, Addis Ababa, killing all 157 people on board.
In 2021, the company agreed to a $2.5 billion settlement with the Justice Department, resolving a criminal charge that Boeing conspired to defraud the agency.
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I’m not comfortable flying on new Boeing planes.
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I flew in one to get home from Christmas vacation. The seat was literally the most uncomfortable airplane seat I ever sat in. It was like sitting on a concrete bench. I'm going to need to start bringing a seat cushion...
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This is the result of corporate America not holding its executives personally accountable for gross negligence, and the unregulated monopolistic nature of a bunch of markets. It is well known in the industry that the whole fiasco regarding the 737 Max is caused by the acquisition of McDonnell-Douglas, and its shitty management that integrated with Boeing.
Who was held responsible for those 300 people dying? Who would have been for these guys? Who will be for the next accident?
Weird that the company used to have a safety culture before the acquisition - I just can't imagine an aircraft company wanting to throw that away when it's so valuable to customer trust.
It’s because the finance chucklefucks ran the numbers, saw data that indicated simply paying out injury and wrongful death settlements and safety penalties appeared to be cheaper than designing a new airframe, and went that route. It’s very literally all a numbers game, and the only numbers that really matter to these idiots are the ones with $ in the front.
I just watched Fight Club again, and this was literally Ed Norton’s character’s job.
a x b x c
If the number for the recall or redesign is higher than the lawsuits, they don’t do it. They let people die.
The only way to fight it is to have an automatic adjustment to all unit and wrongful death payouts times 10, hell 1000. There should be no cost on a human life.
lol I gotta watch that again