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[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Obviously this is a bad argument but it's also bad science.

Medicine didn't stop or break natural selection. Nothing stops natural selection.

Our homeboy doesn't point at a beaver dam and fall to their knees, crying out in anguish over how beavers have wrecked natural selection so what's the big deal when we also create things that improve our chances of survival?

People still have car crashes and natural disasters still happen. People die from asthma in the developed world all the time. People that have a disposition towards being too reckless or too aggressive are going to be statistically more likely to die by misadventure. People who are "insufficiently" social are much less likely to procreate.

Natural selection doesn't give a fuck about medicine and medicine doesn't remove selective pressure.

If they want to live in a world without humans changing the landscape that selective pressure exists within then they're welcome to strip naked, walk into their nearest wilderness and subsist by foraging for food without making any shelter or tools. In fact, I'd encourage them to do exactly that because the world would be a better place if the people who invoke natural selection in the place of an argument showed their commitment to natural selection.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

they're welcome to strip naked, walk into their nearest wilderness and subsist by foraging for food without making any shelter or tools

Can I watch? soviet-bottom shy

Jokes aside, I second this. Anyone who invokes law of the jungle or survival of the fittest should just return to monke.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If Darwinism is so good, I'd like to see evolution solve this

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Some fucked up nerve that does a weird loop around the neck. Not an issue for short-necked vertebrates, but evidently evolutionary pressures failed to "fix" it for stuff like giraffes and presumably super big dinosaurs. Of course with near future medicine, humans could rectify this if we wanted to. Take that mother nature!

[–] HexBroke@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Treating medical conditions is bad because it means we will have to continue to fix them in the future instead of hoping natural selection eventually fixes them in a couple of thousands of years

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

He sounds like a Pokemon villain. LMAO.

[–] LeninsWorldTour@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

humans developed intelligence

humans developed intelligent ways to combat disease

horror

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Even if eugenics was a good thing (it isn't), do they really think that with their ideology that dysgenics wouldn't rise as well?

Porky will literally develop conditions to sabotage people on a genetic level until they become human cattle. To do otherwise would be "leaving money on the table". Although it was posted as a joke, this explains why some people push for car dependency even if they know that it will harm people. If we followed that advice beat for beat, the world would be shittier materially even if it 'benefits' the economy: the only thing we are given permission to care about.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

It's never left sadly.

[–] pixelghost@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Putting this guy in the woods with a box of matches, a knife, and a go-pro. Leaning back in my chair and watching.

[–] Quexotic 6 points 2 years ago (8 children)

The problem is it not obvious why this is factually wrong.

It IS obvious why it's morally wrong.

The clarity comes when you actually understand science and realize that we're correcting our genes faster than mutation could ever hope to.

It's sad that nuance is lost.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you want, I do have three logic-based reasons against eugenics:

  • Eugenics means assigning human values to nature, and therefore our human emotions will determine what our kids might have.

  • Eugenics is just hyper-domestication. They claim that modern medicine is evil, but eugenics will just domesticate us further and will really bite us in the ass if civilization collapses (CHUDs drool of the day civilization collapses and they can act out their LARP.)

  • How do we know this won't set a precedent for using eugenics to create an inherit slave class as "the help" and who will get to decide who is and isn't a slave?

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[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

It's not like this whole society we live in wasn't originated from some monkies learning to take care of another monkey who broke their leg long enough that the bones fused back together

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Eugenics has a point, actually. Because if all the eugenicists stopped breeding it would definitely be better for the human race.

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