The "guilty until proven innocent" part highlights a tactic to push back on manufactured claims of genocide paired with smears of genocide denial: genocide is a formally defined crime, just like murder. Just like murder, you start with a presumption of innocence -- that is, you start by denying the accusation, and it is on the accuser to prove what happened.

In cases like the Holocaust (or Palestine today) you have a mountain of evidence. You have countless eyewitnesses backed by film, sometimes video, and almost always official statements or internal documents showing intent.

In China you have significant motivation and credibility questions about the much smaller number of witnesses, you don't have anything like the photographic documentation of the Holocaust, you have some blurry satellite photos of... something despite the U.S. having spy satellites that can read a license plate, and your official statements (that are themselves backed by significant evidence) are about combating radicalization through development.

In short, there is actually a live question about the credibility and weight of the evidence. You do have to engage with the evidence and not simply take the accusation at face value, just like you would at a murder trial.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They need to learn from sodastream how to market unfair and unequal employment conditions.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Maybe don't use slaves in your factories if you do not want to be black listed it's that simple 💅

[–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then why does US law explicitly allow slave labour? Do they blacklist themselves as well?

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 2 years ago

Yes everyone on the list is black.

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well, it's not that easy though, is it. You cannot prove a negative. So if I accused you of some sickening murder rape robbing spree where you harmed 20 people and by law it was on you to prove that you didn't do it, you'd be fucked because you couldn't prove that something isn't true.

I mean, screw this og so poor multi billion company and their ~~worthless pieces f shit~~ laser printers, yet I am wary of the increasing tendency internationally to flip "in dubio pro reo" on it's head.

[+] Sheeple@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] Norgur@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But... you know that a chinese factory does not need approval by US regulators to run, right? Like... the US doesn't run the whole world and it's not a normal thing that US regulators check out foreign factories, nor should it be.

Now if you get accused of using slave labour... how can you prove that you do not do that? You'd need to prove that the slave-labour-factories don't produce anything that then gets sold to you, right? Because absence of slave workers in your factories is not proof that you don't subcontract a slave labour factory. So you'd need to demonstrate that you've got nothing to do with them. But if you don't work with those factories, you have no stake in the factories that exploit slave labour, so you can't let (foreign) regulators into those factories. Now, even if you manage to do that, one could just turn around and say "Well, then you must use another factory we don't know of, prove that this isn't the case". You cannot prove innocence, you can only prove guilt.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Have you considered not watching child pornography? It's really easy, just stop watching it. Simple.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What are you even trying to say?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just because someone makes a bad faith accusation doesn't mean you have to respect it.