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The cries that the 2020 election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. But If voter fraud had impacted the 2020 election, it would already have been proven.

Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?

In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House.

I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign.

The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

...

And yet, the cries that the election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. Whether a stump speech, outrageous lawsuits like the so-called Kraken cases filed by Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani’s lies or the ongoing misguided efforts of people determined to prove the election was stolen, the constant drumbeat hardens people’s hearts and minds to the truth about the 2020 election.

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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 79 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, the people who need to hear this message will never read this.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those fucktards are a total loss.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Those fucktards are a large percentage of the voting population, so we can never give up on them.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You’ll never reach them. They’re gone.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The broad cast explicitly states The only way is prevention in the same breath they say that it can be done with a lot of work.

No, you may get some people to question it, but as long as they have familiar ties to the rest of the in group, any ground you gain will erode away the second you take a second to inhale.

Especially when i am out numbered by my extended family. They are a lost cause.

Hey. Those people would be very upset with you if they could read.

[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 74 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The true shocker is the beginning of the headline. "Trump paid me"...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It didn't actually say what Trump paid him.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago

Five dollars and a half eaten bag of Cheetos

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Trust me bro

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 73 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What people are seeing is deep indoctrination at work. This is exactly how it happens in religious fundamentalist cults. You repeat the lie often enough, and it becomes the truth. On top of that, the people within the circle begin to distrust the outside world, and so come to the leaders for "truth." The leaders are the cornerstones upon which their world is built.

And to question the "truth" means to question the leaders and to potentially lose your community. This is why for apostates, community is often the last hurdle to overcome before fully leaving.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is deep indoctrination a euphemism for cult? Because it seems like a cult.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 14 points 2 years ago

Indoctrination is the method. The cult is the result.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I like the BITE model of cults: an organization that engages in Behavior, Information, Thought, and Emotional Control.

So yes, it is an intrinsic part of a cult.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Didn't the exact same thing happen with the WMDs in Irak fiasco that ended up killing hundreds of thousands of people and wasting an absolute insane amount of resources for basically nothing?

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What I see is that conservatives in general are people who love to be lied to. Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump noticed this and is trying to use it to overthrow democracy. Before conservatives said Obama was a Muslim they said Eisenhower was a Communist. Before they said horse medicine cures Covid they said Laetrile cures cancer.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

They love conspiracies.

Religious people have also been convinced that there is a war between good and evil, so they need to find/create a villian.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The people who insist the election was stolen either a) don't actually know how elections work or b) are intentionally lying.

The problem is, when you try to show them how elections work, they don't believe you.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

b) are intentionally lying.

Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump's Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.

Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]

STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.

He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?

History says a most definitive yes, it's not even a good question. Which is why it's so important to fight back while we still can.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign.

Did they actually get paid?

[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Socks how many people in this country are go for tyranny. Fear us our kryotonite and trumps sustainence.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trump had no bigger lickspittle than Mike Pence. There was no lie too big for Pence to cosign. Even Doormat Mike couldn't stomach the election lies.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was no lie too big for Pence to cosign.

eh, there was the one...

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

If it wasn't putting actual lives in danger, the epic of Pence trying to thread the needle and neither call out Trump's treason nor break the law himself is pretty hilarious. I mean, going to Dan Quayle when you need a wise man? Mel Brooks wouldn't have come up with that one.

[–] aew360@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trump keeps ruining US politics. Until his movement dies, the progressive movement is on hold. Enough moderates will prop up candidates like Clinton and Biden. The progressives can vote 3rd party, but at the risk of seeing the Supreme Court fucked for decades more and the executive branch becoming uncontrollable.

I’m a moderate liberal myself but I think it’s wild to assume America doesn’t need a bit more socialism. I don’t see how anyone in the lower middle and lower class can effectively raise children.

Honestly that’s probably the best selling point to progressives to vote for Biden. Killing the MAGA movement for good will allow them to unpause their own movement

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

His movement first died after the civil war when the know nothings pretended to forget about antebellum politics. They're only relevant as a function of their corrupt political leadership and there are fascist (Roman) Republican active measures out there whose only job is to transfer outrage from specific members of the Republican party to Small-D democratic systems and players writ large.