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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 95 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be fair he abandoned them first

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 75 points 2 years ago

You can't abandon a group you were never with in the first place

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

They voted for him, he won, end of transaction.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 85 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Democrats read news like this and instead of just tossing people some peanuts to keep the circus running, they become angry and shocked that people are upset the person they voted for won’t help them.

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's fucked in particular because even Richard Nixon - a perennial on my shit-list - got that you had to make some concessions sometimes.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

And H W strong armed Israel into a ceasefire. The Overton window is so fucked in America these days it’s not even ironically funny.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

I have said before, the system is designed to punish voters who even dare to think about stepping out of line.

It’s going to be “so you really want to throw tantrum and risk having a Republican elected huh? Well here you go, enjoy 4 years of conservative presidency! Let’s see how much you’re gonna regret when it happens. All you minorities who didn’t vote for us, enjoy the punishment! We’ll see you in 4 years’ time when you finally crawl back to us to beg for mercy. Then we’ll reconsider if we’ll change our stance about your welfare.”

The two party system is designed to work in such synergistic fashion to make sure that American democracy functions as smoothly as it could.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

We keep doing things that alienate our voters, so why do they keep not voting for us!?

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

In a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, Biden's failure to consolidate support in key parts of the coalition that elected him in 2020 has left him narrowly trailing Trump, the likely Republican nominee, 39%-37%; 17% support an unnamed third-party candidate.

The possible good news for the president is that much of the support he needs to rebuild has drifted to third-party candidates, not into the camp of his likely opponent. Twenty percent of Hispanic and Black voters, and 21% of young voters, now say they'll back someone other than the two main contenders.

I'm not going to read too much into any one poll, but these results are genuinely surprising to me. This shows there is a sizeable desire among young people and black and hispanic voters for someone presumably to the left of Biden, and they may be willing to put their money where their mouth is and actually vote for Cornel West or Claudia de la Cruz. Although the article says RFK Jr is pretty popular, so idk.

A candidate or candidates to the left of Biden that liberals believe "spoil" the election and causes them to lose would at first cause them punch left like E. Honda's Hundred Hand Slap... but in the end it would show that there are plenty of people to the left of the Democrats who aren't going to play ball anymore, so the Dems can either make actual concessions or keep losing.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The donors want Biden, that’s all that matters.

Despite everything we dunk on Biden here, he has done an exceptional job in making the lines going up for every segment of the bourgeois class, from the oil and gas industry, to the military industrial complex, to the financial sector. S&P 500 is now 50% (!!) higher than the highest point under Trump’s presidency. Banks and credit institutions are now raking in more profit than ever from penalties and interest payments from the Fed rate hikes.

Biden is a great president because of that. Not to you, but to them. Even if Biden loses, as long as the Democratic Party continues to demonstrate their loyalty to the wealthy donor class, they will continue to get the money.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I know people hate to hear this, but Biden has also secured American hegemony for the short term. The war in Ukraine has cut off the EU from Russia both in terms of international relations and natural resources (nordstream anyone) and got Europe firmly back into the US fold for the foreseeable future. The US has won its inter imperial rivalry with Western and Central Europe, and Japan is a non factor at this point in time. The stage is set for the next action, a united front of the imperialist triad (US, EU and Japan, along with their vassals) to take on China.

All this sucks terribly for the people of the world, but is great for the dogs and stooges of the US empire. They can sit comfortably atop their mountain of skulls, for now.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

I don't think the Hegemony is as secure as it seems. Did you see how that "Operation Prosperity Guardian" thing went? From my perspective, the US has continually been losing face on the international stage for a while now. While I highly doubt that convicting the US and Israel of genocide will have much of an enforceable outcome, they are both deeply reliant on global trade which is very easy to disrupt (see Yemen vs. Israel rn). Internally Empire faces widespread dissatisfaction, economic struggles for the lower class, dwindling military recruitment, and is pretty much entirely reliant on "developing countries, including China" for manufacturing. They are clearly trying to posture as if all this is business as usual, but I'm not sure everyone is convinced.

That said, I could be way off and this is just wishful thinking.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Japan recently received a huge sum of money to buy western weapons. Like overnight became the largest army in terms of military budget in the region.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean "non factor" as in opposing American interests. Japan obviously plays a huge role in the geopolitics of the region.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Oh I getcha my bad. Yeah Japan is just another dog of US imperialism.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

The RFK Jr guy probably over 15% lmao. The power of a surname everyone (and half a century of shitty pop history about JFK).

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This country has only two responses to genocide: Apathy and Enthusiasm

So the poll results have to be driven by something else, my money is on student debt payments which began back in October

Which means the poll results are shallow and ephemeral and likely to shift back when the media begins its "vote blue no matter who" push

As always nothing has changed, the vast majority of the working class rightfully remain estranged from electoralism, while the people who do vote remain middle class freaks who will be whipped back into line the minute a DNC aligned influencer calls them Kremlin agents

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

Polls mean nothing to me

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

I dunno how outcry against bidens genocide has been pretty vocal compared to past us genocides.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

We've tried nothing etc etc

[–] D61@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I mean, when push comes to shove, enough bodies in swing states are going to hold their nose and vote for Biden just because of the threat of Trump to keep the race close.

I do wonder if enough Republican voters will stay at home because they're kinda tired of Trump and his shenanigans or will they embrace their Id and vote Trump for no other reasons than to make the libs cry... thonk

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

What if it isn't Trump? That is actually my biggest concern. Most of the Republican party agenda is just as bad as Trump would do, they are just smart enough to not say the quiet parts out loud.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Trump might not even be alive. The guy lives on trash food and thinks exercise is unhealthy. It's a statistical fluke that he's lived this long.

[–] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a statistical fluke that he's lived this long.

You'd have to generalize that statement to almost all white American boomers man.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most of the white American boomers I know are dead.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up

[–] D61@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Dude lives on spite and adulation, so long as he can keep getting attention he'll pull a Kissinger and get close to outliving us all.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

He'll be alive

[–] jack@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

No one else in the Republican party has any popular support at all

[–] D61@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah, a competent fascist is definitely an issue.

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those mythical principled Republicans who will refuse to vote Trump are outnumbered by orders of magnitude by the MAGA faithful who will ONLY vote for Trump.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But that just makes the "principled Republicans" the spoiler for that side of the ticket... It'll be the die hard Trump voters who will be out on TikTok or YouTube trying to shame the rest of the conservative voter base into voting for Trump.

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's about which of the two contingents the GOP brass will find more valuable. As much as many of the old guard Republicans loathe Trump as a person, they value winning above all else. Donor money is already flowing out of the other candidates and back to Trump as they realize he is their best chance at securing the White House.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Well, yeah, the money will flow to whoever is likely to win the Republican primary.

[–] hellyesbrother@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Maybe some exurban McMansion McCain voters will stay home, but I expect the MAGA flock to stick with their deity

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

donny t rides again

Death to America

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Im not even sure about this bcos i think theres a sizable number of trump ppl who are also disaffected and think elections are rigged.