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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 123 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's worth remembering that this guy says anything that's in the current trend because just saying those things helps share prices. Then nothing comes of it.

FF16 wasn't stuffed full of nfts or crypto or even microtransactions even though the president makes comments about this stuff.

These words aren't for you, it's for the market.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Guy's gotta stay in $2000 dress shirts somehow.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They did try that Symbiogenesis NFT bulshit. Now I'm not even sure if anything came out of it. Apparently it was supposed to be released this December but I didn't hear a single thing about it.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did they try it? There was 1 trailer and the backlash from the internet was so severe the project got completely buried.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Apparently it was released December 21th, but I cannot find a single thing whatsoever about how it played out. Which by itself doesn't make it seem very successful.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

It's all just SEO farming. Square Enix isn't setting the world on fire with 14 and 16, and there was exactly zero hype for OT2 and Various Daylife (worst game title ever), so they need to always say hypemachine phrases just in case anyone searching for AI or NFTs is also hungry for a milquetoast JRPG.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

These words are also for the hopes that someone will buy this company and put them out of their misery. If FF7R 2 fails in the marketplace, they're doomed.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Welp, it's officially a hype bubble like cryptocurrency/NFTs.

[–] Aurix@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Which is also what the last CEO of Square Enix rode on. This is either investor appeasement or indeed improvement of quality with these tools or, and far more likely both buzzwords and producing crap to cut costs.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unfortunately AI's impact is real. This isn't a hype thing; this is a people losing their jobs thing

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I mean, it is and it isn't. On one hand, yes people will probably lose their jobs with these tools supposed to filled the gaps.

But that doesn't mean the AI tools are actually anywhere near as competent as a human, and it will result in watered-down, anodyne, and to be more blunt, just boring art and writing.

Corporate will use the tools because they're "good enough," but we all know they're really not good enough. They're just one more way to cut costs at the expense of user experience and employee workload (the employees that are left being expected to do more work).

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bingo. AI is shockingly good at building simple things, helping with direct questions about items. It cannot replace humans in its current state.

At this point it's CEO bluster just like the blockchain, where the suits are talking about technology like they personally handcrafted it while the actual engineers are sitting in the back of the room thinking "uh, there's no way it can do that".

I think we're going to see a couple hilarious cycles of some shit thinks they can replace humans with AI, fail spectacularly, and then quietly go back.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I honestly don't think they'll even quietly go back. It's clear "customer service" is becoming something that isn't considered a return on value, so they're shutting them down all over. Customer service will be the number one thing replaced with AI and they won't go back on that.

Customer service for the last 20-30 years has absolutely been nothing but a shield for corporations to hide behind while screwing their customers. Low paid phone jockeys have to deal with people furious at being fucked over by conglomerates like Comcast. There is no way to contact anyone further up the chain, and that is deeply purposeful.

They record all the phone calls, but they refuse to learn anything that benefits the customer from them. All they do is deploy psychological tricks to try to get the customer to be happy while not actually rectifying the problem. It's always a purposeful half-measure that has been deeply researched to calm people down and accept the big unlubed dildo in their ass like they should.

So yeah, the "customer service voice" will be long gone to be replaced with increasing shitty "customer service AI" with no human to talk to, and if you get lost in the shuffle and put in a digital black hole, well, "go fuck yourself" is clearly what they'll be telling you. They already pretty much do this (especially Google) but it will become increasingly pronounced and difficult.

Clawing back anything that corporations have stolen from you will increasingly become an exercise in total futility as you're stuck in an endless AI loop that refuses to give you options that actually address your issue.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Tell this to artists losing work because AI can generate professional looking work in seconds for free.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You do realize it isn't staying the same, right?

There is no status quo with AI.

It's within literal months that leaps are occurring that defy most expert expectations and predictions.

While yes, creative writing is not part of the target of where models are improving right now (and there are IMO clear mistakes being made with foundational models contributing to that poor performance), we're probably less than one dev cycle from the best AI outperforming an above average video game writer with institutional integration of the models.

And really, people thinking this is going to put writers out of business are missing the true value add for publishers.

You'll see the same amount of writers as before. What will change is the amount of writing.

Being able to have a core writing team do the normal work they do of writing out main and side quests and then feeding all that writing into a model spitting out side NPC dialogue fitting in with the events taking place allows developers to make their world come alive in ways previously only accessible to the largest budgets in the industry like RDR2.

This also allows games that are successful to transition into more of a live service product without needing to have a massive audience.

For most live service games, you need as many people as possible playing to justify dedicating resources to continued development, or you need a subscription fee. But niche products with a dedicated fan base which aren't overly popular are too small to justify continuous content development.

With AI that equation changes. More games have the opportunity to keep players engaged longer for continuing adventures when a smaller team can use generative systems to flesh out the product.

Everyone praises No Man's Sky for their continued development with a team of about a dozen putting more and more content out, but the other side of the coin is that they can only successfully deliver updates that feel weighty because they are leveraging procgen to extend their efforts.

Imagine the next version of FF online where not only is there a core main story everyone experiences, but there are also individualized stories woven into it that are shaped around your interactions. Where every NPC can be spoken to and any one of them might lead to your next individualized adventure. A world that feels at once epic and shared with millions of other players while also personal and unique just for you.

Even if the individual writing wasn't as planned out as world event scenario writing from lead writers, I'd sure as hell prefer to spend $16/mo on a world with little repetition and endless adventures than a world that only has a hundred hours of story every year and is mostly running the same things over and over in between waiting for small bursts of content updates.

AI makes perfect sense for any live service provider, and Square Enix has one of the most successful live service products to date. Of course they are going to be investing into it as it rapidly improves.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Live service games are shite and you shouldn't be looking for excuses to play them.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Lol. "MMOs are trash and you shouldn't play them."

I think sometimes people arguing on the Internet don't even know the definitions of the things they are arguing about.

Few people consider FFXIV trash.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

For every job that AI kills, you need at least 2 techs to train the AI. This isn't meant to say "go get a job as an AI tech if you're worried about job security" it's more of a "businesses will see the obvious lack of ROI and vision and refuse to implement it".

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

It absolutely is. Although, putting aside the obvious ethical debates, I will say that least AI has some practical uses. Crypto-currency and NFTs felt a lot like a solution looking for a problem, and while that can be true of some implementations of AI, there are a lot of valid uses for it.

But yeah, companies rushing to use AI like this, and making statements like this, just screams that they're trying to persuade investors they're "ahead of the curve", and is absolutely indicative of a hype bubble. If it wasn't a hype bubble, they'd either be quietly exploring it externally and not putting out statements like this, or they're be putting out statements excitedly talking specifics about their novel and clever implementations of AI.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wish they'd aggressively apply it to replacing middle-top management. The jobs that don't add anything except a lot of money being siphoned off, anyways.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I welcome our robot middle-lords.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

AI is such an annoying buzzword at this point. "oh have you heard of AI? We need AI!" Say every industry, and probably even the dairy industry.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

We have had costumers REQUIRING that we have AI in our projects in order to sign... With no additional explanation. Sure, here you have a irrelevant kmeans clustering of your SKUs, 100K please.

In all fairness, those customers that knew what they were taking about were great. We did really cool stuff, they just need to understand what they want to answer and be able to provide the data.

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, my boss came to me and said exactly this "we need AI in our product" and I asked "what do we want to do with AI?" I'm still waiting for a definitive answer, in the meantime I'm supposed to do the technical concept without even knowing what our goal is lol.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Just like companies aggressively used NFTs and we know how well that worked out.

[–] regbin_@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

This smells like investor-baiting. Studios don't really need to announce that they're going "aggressive" in using a certain tool.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cool. I'll continue to aggressively avoid Square Enix games like I have since 2017.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Didnt he also say square was going to aggressively get into NFTs until the overwhelming negative response cockslapped the fuck out of him?

I swear, Its getting to the point where I miss SquareSoft and Enix as individual companies, and the SNES as an era for RPGs.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hmm do y’all still believe the video game industry needed to make cuts and fire workers to the degree they did this year because of overshooting growth with covid? Yes I am sure it is part of it but why is nobody talking about the AI elephant in the room. The video game industry is in the midst of trying to strong arm workers into accepting a fundamental reduction in their quality of life because they can use the threat of replacing workers with AI. It doesn’t matter if it actually works to replace workers with AI, it only matters that it appears fairly plausible for it to pay off for massive companies trying to extract every bit of profit from video games they can.

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I rwas this as them saying they'll be cutting jobs left and right using an AI based solution to keep more profits for the top instead of making game characters smarter

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

"In the short term, our goal will be to enhance our development productivity"

Translation: We are gonna fire so many expensive developers, designers and artists!

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“We are going so hard into the AI synergies. It is going to blow away your quarterly projections about our growth centers and user engagements.” Continued rambling about things for another 20 minutes.

End result will be NPC’s with sometimes better conversation tree’s and micro transactions that are randomized based on the whims of same vague bot no one can articulate the functional details of.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'd say the end result will be a broken mess delivered behind schedule by a team of juniors.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Ha ha ha this dumb chord.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago

Just when I thought their games couldn't be any worse