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Im so done with these Ultras spitting on sucessful revolutions to jack off about purity and whine about revisionism.

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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only existing socialist country is the USA. It’s currently being ruled with an iron fist by a Marxist Liberalist dictator who’s trying to turn everyone into peasant slaves for the new migrant overseer.

Soon every white straight male will be forced to strip naked and work the fields in a chain gain while woke blue haired baristas humiliate him by whipping and milking him publicly for not tipping 95% of his wages. It is the most successful communist country in the world. It’s over. The west has fallen peterson-pain

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We're specifically waiting for you to die.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They've got so much cool planned for when we're gone, it's messed up.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Online-brained western ultraleft: "Uhm actually Cuba is imperialist and revisionist because they trade with other countries"

Literally everyone else: jesse-wtf

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

there are states run by communist parties in opposition to the capitalist global hegemony. often not to the extent that we would like but idk what these libs expect.

there are no stateless classless moneyless societies (except maybe some indigenous groups somewhere) and asking if there are any is a very silly question

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Poll Pot is an amazing account name.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Roman golden coin profile pic ultra is reaching entirely new levels of type-of-guy that were once only theorized about.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Im more worried about the poll results than the one guy. That ultraism is the party line on that hellsite has become infuriating.

But enough about hexbear

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

stop going on the bad web site

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Twitter is actively poisoning the left. It needs to go away.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

The patsocs are definitly an op. I thought twitter ultraism was genuine because they dont have big name leaders really but im no longer sure. It being an accident does seem difficult to swallow.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

I view complaining about revisionists as being like a drug. It's fine and good to indulge when appropriate, fun too, but if you're finding excuses to do it all the time, or shoehorning it into everything then that's probably not doing you any favors. When I first got seriously (well, more seriously) into socialism I worried if I was gonna become one of those inscrutable people who calls everyone revisionists all the time. Turns out, only sometimes, and these other people have a problem.

[–] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honestly, I've mostly grown numb on "ultras" like Maoists and Left-Coms being annoying at this point, since I share a lot of Leftist spaces with them (mainly on Discord) and there's a good amount of back-and-forth between us that can sometimes lead to something interesting. Left "infighting" and rigorous debate/shitslinging is going to be the case wherever you go, even in real life organizations like the DSA or PSL (to a lesser degree albeit). It can be a good thing, even, in that it forces us to constantly to reinforce or reevaluate our stances. So long as they don't try to engage in sectarianism where it isn't conducive to anything and throw other Marxists under the bus in the face of libs and reactionaries when the chips are down (like some Maoists, Trots and self-professed "anti-tankie anarchists" do), it's "agree to disagree" with them until those disagreements boil over into important decision-making (which is a long way to go if you're in the imperial core like I am, tbh). Some MLMs like BRG and Paul Morrin for instance interact regularly with "revisionists" and even defend them when it matters, like when Calla Walsh got arrested protesting an Israeli arms manufacturing center and was getting smeared by zionists.

Not to say we should tolerate anything and everything for the sake of some vague goal of Left Unity, especially if a "leftist" is supporting Israel or NATO, but we can manage factional differences when our more immediate goals align as any "United Front" historically did. For online shitslinging in particular, I just get off of Birdsite or certain Discord channels for a while to "detox" if it becomes too much.

Tl;dr the Western Left (which most of us are) is still so unorganized and weak that our irreconcilable ideological differences are not the immediate contradiction and we shouldn't waste energy on constantly splitting from, undermining and purging each other. However, it's okay to feel frustrated and take a break from the "discourse", now and then.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

They exist, in a very literal sense. Regardless of whether it's good or anything near socialism, it's Eastern Bloc style political and economical systems and societal models.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://nitter.net/pollpottt/status/1740845116305359017

Forgot to link.

Note the guy (a mutual even) calling AES a cope.

[–] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

They support Cuba, so sans-shrug

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

No one is on Twitter, and nothing that happens there matters.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

nothing suspicious about a person spelling julianus with an i