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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 174 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They're not arguing that he didn't do it.

Instead they're saying he shouldn't be held accountable for what he did.

Oh, and "let the voters decide." I'm old enough to remember 2020, when the voters did decide. Republicans didn't accept that either

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago

Instead they’re saying he shouldn’t be held accountable for what he did.

Party of Personal Responsibility.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

Somebody here is salty that you pointed out that TRUMP IS A LOSER!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Brooks Brothers Riot. Even our insurrections are less classy...

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 102 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

She can pardon him on the federal charges all she wants, she can't do anything about the STATE charges which, lesse here... last time I checked... 47 felonies he can't be pardoned for.

Been a bit since I updated this one:

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 12/29/2023

Georgia
13 state felonies
Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
The judge in the case has set a deadline of December 1st for all motions to be filed, expect a trial date at some point after that.
Conviction
Sentencing

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - March 4th, 2024, one day before Super Tuesday primaries.
Jack Smith had requested that the Supreme Court immediately rule on Trump's immunity defense, the Court rejected the request, requiring it to go through the usual appeals process first.
Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. That trial date is currently set for January 15th, the same day as the Iowa caucus. and has now been determined to be for damages only as Trump was already found liable.

As a function of the January 6th and Georgia trials, there are now lawsuits in two states to bar Trump from the primary ballot based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.

Colorado:

12/19/23 - The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not eligible for the primary ballot due to being barred by the 14th Amendment as an insurrectionist.

Minnesota:

11/8/2023 - State Supreme Court denies challenge, allows ballot access.

A long-shot write in candidate for President has also filed suits seeking to bar Trump from the ballot in Florida, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

His cases in Arizona, California, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,  and West Virginia have been thrown out:

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-eligibility-challenge-in-arizona/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/12/17/john-anthony-castro-voluntarily-dismisses-his-california-anti-trump-ballot-access-lawsuit/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/10/12/john-anthony-castro-dismisses-his-idaho-lawsuit-on-trump-ballot-access/

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-donald-trump-ballot-lawsuit-dismiss/45682757

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/27/trump-keeps-right-to-be-on-presidential-ballot-in-ri/71720185007/

https://wvmetronews.com/2023/12/22/lawsuit-to-boot-trump-off-west-virginia-ballots-is-dismissed-because-plaintiff-lacks-standing/

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Definitely eternal emperor of America material, I will devote my life and remaining brain cells to this guy

[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Keep the brain cell, we just want the cash.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Michigan recordings just released need their own section

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Waiting to see the legal action on it, there's a couple of ways it could go. He could get another grand jury in Michigan, he could get new charges in the January 6th case or this article suggests entirely new charges for Bribery:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/22/what-trump-has-to-fear-from-the-michigan-tape-00133115

Once there's a case to follow, I'll get it added!

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Time to update. Looks like Maine barred him and Minnesota threw it out.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Maine barred him at the secretary of state level, it's going to get challenged. Waiting for the court ruling on that one, but yeah, I'll get Minnesota updated.

[–] jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I really appreciate this list! We were trying to piece it together last night and couldn't remember who had charged him with what, and what the timeline was.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She's literally saying that she will ignore the justice system and set a criminal free.

Please vote for me, I like criminals!

I still don't like this timeline

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Doing it, is bad enough. Promoting one self by saying you'll do it, is even worse!

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A president can't pardon state crimes. He'll still be serving sentences in Georgia and New York.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why is everyone acting like this is anything but pandering to the MAGA crowd? I don't like Haley one bit, but she is a legit threat.

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She's running for Vice President.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I think she's running for president-when-convicted.

[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When did the platform of being President of the United States of America become the ability to pardon individuals?

[–] Vent@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Since day 1 of the Constitution? The pardon has always been a presidential power. State governors can pardon people for state crimes, but the president can't. They're the head of their executive branches, the branch that's in charge of enforcing laws. It makes sense that they have the ability to pardon people from that enforcement. It's overall a good thing.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would you pardon him? Has he committed any crimes? /s

Seriously, you must think he committed crimes if you are going to pardon him.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why would you pardon him?

Maybe because of that smell (?)

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nimarata Nikki Randhawa will say and do anything for power. Even whitewash her culture.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nimrod Nikki has a nice ring

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago

TBF people misunderstood Bugs' reference because no one was flinging around "Nimrod the mighty hunter" references left and right before it showed up on Looney Tunes. So some obscure biblical figure got essentially coined as a new term. It's sort of like how Santorum used to mean "hateful bigot", but now means "lube mixed with shit".

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One thing is for sure, republicans DGAF about America, the Constitution, Democracy, Law and order and the Ten Commandments unless it benefits them at that particular moment. They have thrown it all out the window to benefit trump. They have shown us at every opportunity that they will lie, cheat, steal and kill to protect trump from justice.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

They were completely morally brankrupt decades ago it just took time for the shit to overflow the perverbial toilet.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

She just rendered herself ineligible for office for the same reason Trump is ineligible for office. lmfao.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Haley said it wasn't in the country's best interest "to have ~~an 80-year-old man~~ a criminal sitting in jail."

[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Does anyone actually think for a second that the next republican president, no matter who it is, wouldn't pardon him?

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Yep running for VP

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

“Tough on crime!”

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And to her I would ask, "Do laws just truly not matter any more?".

[–] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why bother asking? She already told you they don't.

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[–] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Criminals defending other criminals.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Every single one in that fascist party now has to bend the knee to one of the worst public figures in America.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

Ok, so she's also a traitor. Good to know.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

So she’s saying she'll never pardon Trump. Got it.

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