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Some conservatives say transgender people regret surgery. A new study says otherwise (www.sacbee.com)
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[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 82 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just a reminder for when you listen to people being presented as trans persons who regret their surgery:

Norma McCorvey - Jane Roe of Roe v Wade - was presented for decades as a devout Christian (evangelical and later Catholic) who regretted her decision. She was used as a prominent voice in the anti-abortion movement and in the attempts to overturn Roe.

She revealed on her deathbed that she was being paid to take that position. The narrative was also complicated by her 35 year relationship with Connie Gonzalez, later claiming that she was no longer a lesbian before confessing that she was paid to say that as well.

Also remember that when they call the child survivors of school shootings “paid actors,” it’s because that’s exactly the tactic they engage in.

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

It's always projection. "Accuse your enemies of what you are guilty of."

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Even if they'd been right - it's not a justification for taking away peoples' right to choose. I've made many decisions in my life that I regretted afterward, some irrevocable. (And at least one that I'm certain has a far greater than average regret rate) That's NOT basis for making it illegal for me to make those decisions, and it's for sure not justification for making it illegal for others to make those decisions.

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not to mention the last statistic on regret rates I saw showed that a lower percentage of people regretted transition surgery than regretted things like hip or knee replacement. But of course to them literally anyone who regrets transition is cause to ban it.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Globally, a staggering 310 million major surgeries are performed each year; around 40 to 50 million in USA and 20 million in Europe. It is estimated that 1–4% of these patients will die, up to 15% will have serious postoperative morbidity, and 5–15% will be readmitted within 30 days. Source.

Yeah, when you look at the statistics for all surgeries and see that up to 4% of patients will die, and up to 15% will have serious complications, all of a sudden the regret rate seems pretty average.

I can’t recall where I read this, but I’ve also heard that a big part of it is regret when the surgeon does a bad job too. I think it was mainly top surgery, and surgeons that were trained to do mastectomies for cancer patients, who leave a bunch of loose skin bc that’s desirable when the patient wants breast augmentation. Which obviously isn’t what a trans person would want. Or just not removing all of the breast tissue, more severe scarring than average, etc. I bet these are the people conservatives quote about feeling “disfigured”.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hear so many horror stories from trans masc people in particular who are just not fucking listened to by surgeons. With traumatic consequences, frequently. It makes me furious - every time it's a similar story, they explain that they want no breasts and the doctor goes "well that would look odd, I'll give you a c cup"... Bruh no.

I don't think it's so bad for transfemmes, because "top surgery" in that case is the same (I mean, I assume) as a breast augmentation for a cis woman.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don’t think it’s so bad for transfemmes, because “top surgery” in that case is the same (I mean, I assume) as a breast augmentation for a cis woman.

Bottom surgery is traditionally oriented around male pleasure at the expense of what trans women actually want. The same thing happens to us, and it happens to our genitals

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate on this please? I hadn't heard of that before

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

For a lot of surgeons that do bottom surgery, they care more about how it looks rather than how it feels. i.e. they don’t care if you can’t orgasm.

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh god well I guess that's one more thing to worry about, thanks for the heads up

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To add on, they also care more about depth for penetration than sensation

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have any advice for finding surgeons that aren't like that?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I haven't done research on it in years

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago

Actual people regretting it is irrelevant and inconsequential. Remember how, for many years, the same people kept trying (and failing) to find any significant voter fraud? Then they decided to just ignore that detail and tell people it was happening anyway?

The exact same thing applies here.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 2 years ago

You're missing the point. They regret when people choose gender-affirming surgery. That's the real issue. I know it's not the argument they're saying out loud, but it's the real issue.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 8 points 2 years ago

I'm not trans, but I wholeheartedly agree with you. As living beings we deserve autonomy, which includes the right to make choices that we may later regret. It isn't up to anyone else but the individual to decide what's right for them. It's no-one else's business (especially the government)

[–] solarvector@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 years ago

I wonder what the regret rate is for getting married? Having kids? Having conservative parents?

[–] Nikki@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

old studies say otherwise too

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

What conservatives say rarely aligns with reality in any way, so this should come as no surprise.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Reminder that the regret rate for gender reassignment surgery is under 1%. For comparison, the regret rate for knee surgery is 20%.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

I was going to say, it's been known for a long time that it's around 1%, this isn't new information, and while we should take seriously the issues of de-trans (not anti-trans) people and what about the process caused them issues, ~1% regret rate is impressively low for something like this.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

thats the overall average, iirc things like top surgery (boobs and flattening) is something like .4% regret rate, and highest regret rate is phalloplasty at 2%. i think there were some extra criteria asking about complications which had like a 10% rate in most cases. so not even most people with complications regret it.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Conservatives regret it. Not the people having them. Poorly written headline. /S

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same old intellectually lazy right-wing bullshit: Take an isolated example or two and apply it to an entire population.

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

…. see there IS regret!!

/s

Please kill me….

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago

Buyers remorse is a thing too. Better outlaw purchases of anything outside of the essentials to live. Those can also cause buyers remorse. Guess we're just outlawing all purchases.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 14 points 2 years ago

No surprise there; it's just more of the same self-serving bullshit.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Conservatives rarely tell the truth so...

[–] user91@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Of course, because they just made that shit up.

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago

The only one I regret is orchi and thats because I could have made OnlyFans money cosplaying as a femboy for the cishet male simps. sigh

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It's so ironic bc the "regret the surgery" narrative depends on body dysphoria being a thing.

I mean wouldn't it just be fucking awful if your body didn't match your gender?

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Great to have another study backing trans people. However, I have a feeling that the author of the linked article only read the abstract? At least it seems as if they don't provide any additional information in the text. Like, how extensive was the search of the study and how many people did it include? I couldn't access the paper itself, maybe someone knows how?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the claim is here is that no transgender people regret surgery?

[–] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

The claim of the study is that less than 1% do, contrary to conservative/TERF claims of a large ever growing wave of regret.